Nigel Farage

[Maddie05]

Why do people vote for Reform and in particular Nigel Farage?

Again you can’t give me an example of racism. You’ve proved my point entirely.

I certainly haven't, I'm suggesting you inform yourself and come to your own conclusions. To me, all the evidence strongly shows he is racist, I won't tell you how to feel. The evidence is there to be read, you just have to do so. I could post lots of quotes that I feel prove this beyond all doubt, however if not in context these would be of little use to someone trying to properly inform themselves.

You’ve failed again. People like you are part of the problem. You’re quick to use racism without any facts or can’t give an actual example .

You don’t like Farage and disagree with him fine. I’m sure he knows millions feel the same. But using racism without any facts is what causes more division. You don’t have an example do you ?

I've failed nothing, it is your comprehension that appears to be failing. Go and do the research and find out for yourself what type of man he is. My opinion, based on evidence is that he is racist. I'm not telling you to believe me, I'm telling you to inform yourself properly, which you seem unwilling to do.

But you said the racism word, I didn’t . It’s done to you to back up your comments.Which you couldn’t do after four posts replying to me

I wish mn didnt get rid of the laugh reaction

Oh dear. Oh well, I will leave it there so you can feel like you've 'won' as you don't seem able to grasp the concept of reading, understanding and developing an informed view. That Nigel Farage is racist is a view I have formed through exploring evidence from a wide range of sources. You appear unwilling to do similar, which is your right.

I hope you have a wonderful day.

I could do it but if people aren't intelligent to work it out for themselves then we don't want them in our party.😃

No you don't, you just want to bash a party that isn't run by Corbinistas 😁

I mean MN would be a pretty barren space if the reply to every thread were: "go and find the answer yourself".

Because he's a relatively skilled speaker. Like many others in the 1980s, he was literally taught the art of persuasive speaking - or rhetoric as it's properly known. So was Johnson as it happens. Trump's a monkey in comparison to these guys.

And because Farage learned from Enoch Powell, a successful Cambridge academic with a background in classics. The thing that Powell understood very well was that if you wanted the people to vote for you, then you must appear like you're on their side. There are various ways of doing this, for example, in Powell's case, for his River of Blood speech, he simply made up the housewives and concerned folk who he was quoting. Neither they, or the problems they were talking about, actually existed. But it didn't matter because it SEEMED real to people.

Farage is cut from the same cloth. His background also involves fiction - commodity trading and futures. He knows how to work a market, how to operate the levers and pulleys. And in the same way that people believe money is somehow real (when actually it's just numbers or bits of plasticised paper in their wallet), they believe what he's saying has some sort of basis in fact. It doesn't. He's a kind of one man casino. But you know what they say, the house always wins.

There's an old Latin tag: cui prodest? It means 'Who stands to gain?' Farage will know this in its original Latin. Powell studied it and understood it intimately. The average bod in the street has no idea that they're just the pawns in this game, the future casualties, the cannon fodder. They're clueless. They have neither the education or the skills to work out what's happening. And so like turkeys they'll vote for Christmas and then wonder why their teenage children / grandchildren are being called up to die in ditches.

Those who do not understand the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it, eh.

What party ? I don’t want to be in any party?

You may be correct but what’s the alternative to people who are concerned about mass migration of men coming to our shores who we have no idea where they are from ?

The main political parties have ignored peoples genuine concerns for too long. Or they are too scared ( understandably) to do something radical.

Thats where people like Farage come in. If you keep voting the same parties in again and again, don’t be surprised if nothing will get done.

You can hate Farage all you like , it matters not a bit to me as I personally have no strong opinions of him. But if the UK carries on the way it’s going , don’t be surprised if a shock happens at the next GE.

People want a real change and immigration is a major concern that’s not going to go away.

I absolutely agree with you about people feeling as if those that they vote for aren't representing them properly. My point is that Farage and Reform aren't going to represent them properly either.

I mean, do you really want Zia Yusuf (the multi-millionaire businessman who had to quit his role as Reform's Chairman following a BBC investigation that highlighted serious financial irregularities) in charge of the economy? He's made a profit out of every company he's been part of but the workers haven't. They've suffered. For him, Parliament would just be an opportunity to asset strip Britain. Unfortunately, people think Reform will somehow make things better for them. It won't. That's my problem. Folks are being sold a lie by very accomplished salesmen.

But back to your point. I agree. In a democracy, the government should represent the people, all the people, not just the left or the right or those who voted for them. That's not how a democracy is meant to work. It's been a mistake to label anyone who expresses concerns over immigration, grooming gangs, rabid misogyny, etc., as a fascist. It closes down the space for proper debate and for things to change in a way whereby people feel like their lives are improving. However, I don't think the answer is to get even more undemocratic by electing people who openly sympathise with the ideas of dictatorship.

To be fair, I don't know the answer either. I do think that the problem we really need to fix is how wealth is held by so few, and I don't mean the person living in a £600,000 house who wants to leave it to their kids, I mean the multi-millionaires and billionaires. Reform won't touch this because they're Farage and Yusuf's mates. As for the immigration issue, I can see it's only going to get worse. It's not like Reform can turn down the rising temperatures in the global south, and Europe won't listen to them since Brexit. It would literally take a military mobilisation and I fear they'll try and fix youth unemployment by bringing in conscription to achieve this.

In other words, what I'm hearing from Reform is a lot about what they'd do, but hardly anything about how they'd do it (that's credible in any way). I don't think I'm the person going to get the shock at the next GE, I rather suspect it's all the poor sods who'll end up voting for them realising what this means 3-4 years down the line.

Here you go. Plenty for you to choose from.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farages-most-controversial-moments-ukip-brexit-b1122381.html

But reform will need huge spending cuts - in the billions - to cover promised tax cuts. Tax cuts that benefit the rich far more than the poor. That means huge cuts to public spending. So the winter fuel allowance may come back and the 2 child cap abolished but other benefits will be slashed instead. The poor voting for Reform is like turkeys voting for Christmas. I won't vote for them but as a higher rate tax payer it will be great for me...

Seen that before .All I saw was some carefully selected comments . Shouted Hitler as a kid ? What 50 years ago when he was a at school allegedly ? Where is the evidence? Farage has denied it anyway.Still can’t see anything other than an Evening standard article looking for something.

OK. Obviously you’ll deny something that’s right in your face but at least I tried. You don’t think this is racist? You’ll note that, despite allegedly being about the EU, the only white face on that poster is Farage’s.

I can't stand this snake oil salesman. His beloved Brexit is the total disaster all us "remoaners" said it would be but that's not his fault apparently! All Brexit has done is make the Country poorer and weaker as we all predicted.

I’m politically neutral. I think Farage was saying that Europe has an immigration problem- which is fact. It’s not exactly false is it?

Because he's a bloody legend

Well said 😁

Who else’s side would he be on, if not the British people’s? 🤔
He is definitely not on the side of illegal migrants or the woke leftists. So the only side left is that of the British people.
You might say he just wants to get into power. But to what purpose? To become rich? He already is.
His opponents like you just want to discredit him by any means.

@Jerrypicker- he often loses his temper, he’s very thin skinned. And he definitely dodges questions & does not have an answer for everything.

Because he is a snake oil charlatan?