To think Starmer is utterly reprehensible

[Thegreyhound]

I know everyone will disagree, that’s ok- But I just have to say that Starmer today seems to have sunk lower than I ever believed he would with his incendiary ‘island of strangers’ and ‘incalculable damage’ rhetoric.
I find it particularly shocking because he has calculated this and decided it’s worth it to throw immigrants under the bus and essentially give all the ground in the debate to Farage, Tommy Robinson and Enoch Powell types.
Policy can be altered without making statements that are designed to impact race relations and make life even more difficult for people who are just trying to get along and make a living here.
Starmer is vile. This country does indeed feel like an island of strangers these days but the strangers are not the immigrants :(

Let's get real: nobody is worried about immigrants from nations and backgrounds that are compatible with ours.

I moved to Scotland (from England), over 20 years ago. The last time I flew back, I landed at Birmingham Airport, and quite honestly it didn't even feel like I had landed in England.

I tried to stay at the hotel I was married at, but this was impossible, as it was full of migrants. This is a posh country house hotel, that used to do at least 4 big weddings every weekend, dinner dances, carveries etc. I guess it's more profitable to have migrants in there instead.

My sibling who still lives there says she no longer goes shopping in town, as she doesn't feel safe - it's full of immigrants - all young males hanging around.

Of course this feels wrong - why would it feel right?

Well I doubt the likes of Pizza Express and the other big chains are employing illegals. They always ask people to demonstrate proof of right to work. And these are the sort of places my teen is looking for work. But there are far fewer of these types of jobs than people who want them locally. My teen is often up against fellow applicants who are 30+ with previous experience in bars, coffee shops, restaurants, retail etc.

I wouldn't say Christianity is the most tolerant of religions and Britain certainly doesn't seem to have a culture of tolerance at the moment, so that aside, I'm absolutely not being disingenuous.

It's fine to say - other cultures don't fit well with my ideas/beliefs of what British culture is. But you absolutely can't say with a straight face 'other cultures don't share our values of tolerance for other people's beliefs, their right to hold them and express them.'

If you have tolerance for someone's beliefs, it doesn't have to be fundamentally compatible with yours.

Which would make perfect sense - had we not just voted Brexit so as to dissuade a shit load of those lovely jolly Christian immigrants from coming in, with the only option then being to replace them with immigrants from Far Far Away.

Somebody make it make sense.

When I travel to the ME I don’t stand there in a string bikini waiting for my luggage, I don’t passionately kiss my husband and I certainly don’t demand they change their culture to suit my western values.

As it should be, I respect their country, culture and beliefs. All the West is asking for is that the same respect is shown here.

No, you don’t get to come here and tell us to cover up, be modest, be subservient to men etc. I am afraid some minorities really do expect every adaptation to be made for them. The most awful being the demand for the erasure of Christmas because it’s ‘unfair’.

If you live here, you must embrace the values of our country, to live peacefully, respectfully and with equality and freedom of speech a given. This is being lost in the sheer numbers arriving and it is very concerning.

If he earns enough not to claim benefits he can get employee sponsorship. If she earns enough that the family would not be reliant on benefits she could sponsor her spouse. She doesn’t and he doesn’t.

Of course. The question is Why aren’t they taking these jobs?

There’s a history of huge vacancies in the Social care industry and a history of unemployment. There are jobs available…….why?! do you think

We dont need to replace them we just need to stop the obsessive growth mindset.

Mass immigration is the muscle of capitalism.

Has the non British spouse requested any of this from you?

I have made it to 38 without ever having to change my dress, my religious beliefs, or lack thereof, and my deference to men? Who are you associating with that's forcing this on you against your will?

thats a lot to people from many developing countries especially non skilled workers who can’t get employee sponsorship. It’s also a lot for the uk to lay out every year on people who have never contributed to the uk, some of whom have been involved in war and terror in Syria and elsewhere.

As a home owner I feel like my pleasure in an uninterrupted view of the sky isn't anywhere near as important as other people's need to be housed.

@Sabire9 are the flats being built near you used for housing or are they bought as investments and left empty?

This is how I understand his „island of strangers“ comment tbh.
Not as him calling immigrants „strangers“ in general, but as pointing out the issues with large groups of people not integrating.
Fwiw, I‘m an immigrant myself.

BTW "Mass immigration is the muscle of capitalism" = something the left, the ACTUAL left, meant to represent the working masses as opposed to the privileged bourgeoisie as it does today, once understood all too well

Or Newham.

You must live in a very cosseted area if you have never been mass heckled in Britain today

where do all the minimum wage earners live if they can’t live in London?

It's literally the free housing. While uk homeless numbers rise every year. homeless freeze In doorways.
Waiting lists to get supported housing.

Where has it ever been that incomers would get anything? Why is this 'normal'
When did this change and why?

What about this is healthy /reasonable/safe/just that a person would be missing?

It's more likely that the payments from the benefits system are too high. If benefits were set at a lower threshold then working will pay. As it is now - there are too many bonuses for being on benefits as you can often add in housing benefit, free prescriptions and a host of other benefits which often means in their eyes that working does not pay.

Maybe we should adopt something that other countries employ which is that benefits can only last a finite amount of time.
Or maybe there are plenty of people who work for NMW and still pay their way so should we tax benefits too?
I have no idea but something needs to change but it seems daft to bring in immigrants to do jobs that citizens in the country are capable of doing and get them off their reliance on the state to provide everything.

Irregular migration made up less than 5% of the immigration total in 2024. Have you get any evidence of the percentages of these people who are working illegally?

Clearly! We have a large number of immigrants in the closest town to me. None of them have ever asked me to cover up or be subservient to them. I cannot genuinely imagine a scenario in which that would occur. And if it did, where you couldn't politely respond with "I'm dressed perfectly fine thank you"

Are people in other areas of the UK being forced into modest clothing against their will then? I'm confident that would've made the daily mail at the very least

Why are you against the non British spouse of a British national? Many people are in mixed nationality relationships including Farage of Reform.

You have been living under a rock, if you think that women are treated decently in the countries some of the migrants come from. Do you remember the NYE rapes in Germany? Have you heard of Lara Logan? Have you heard of the grooming gangs? 🙄

Er, why should we all change our behaviour in order to accommodate these beliefs? Why should I change what I wear, how I present my hair, how I walk independently about town in order to satisfy this "belief"? No, I won't.

Do you actually believe this? Or are you desperate to show how terribly tolerant you are?

The people I see moaning about starmer’s stance are all white and middle class and live in pleasant semi rural areas or middle class towns

these same people could do with popping to Bradford for a visit or similar. Immigration is great for the wealthy and business and no other.

if the government of today doesn’t look at its own then it will be out. Starmer has finally realised this