To think Starmer is utterly reprehensible

[Thegreyhound]

I know everyone will disagree, that’s ok- But I just have to say that Starmer today seems to have sunk lower than I ever believed he would with his incendiary ‘island of strangers’ and ‘incalculable damage’ rhetoric.
I find it particularly shocking because he has calculated this and decided it’s worth it to throw immigrants under the bus and essentially give all the ground in the debate to Farage, Tommy Robinson and Enoch Powell types.
Policy can be altered without making statements that are designed to impact race relations and make life even more difficult for people who are just trying to get along and make a living here.
Starmer is vile. This country does indeed feel like an island of strangers these days but the strangers are not the immigrants :(

Seeing as they have only been in power for about ten months, I will give them grace. You are advocating for reform, so I’d like to know their policies? Other than banning flags?

That’s where the benefit system comes in, and tightening up the system. You give people the choice to sit around and do nothing, they will take it.

Jimmy Savile was Muslim?

Tell that to all the British ‘expats’ all over the world who move to foreign countries and live in enclaves with each other and don’t speak the local language. Guess it’s only a problem when brown people do this.

Pearl clutchers...you ain't seen nothing yet 😅there. I must add Enoch to my bingo card. They say it's Reform voters who lack critical thinking.

Exactly.

Unemployment benefits should become contingent on taking up these jobs, with a view to coming off benefits. If you can work, you should be working. That’s not a controversial statement surely?

I haven’t decided on a party. I’m with the majority who poll against Labour. There’s a few left who support them as you do.

I think it’s a problem when British expats do it too, and the population of those countries have the right to do what they want to about it. But that’s not the problem here, is it?

but we do not always know what the goals or objectives are etc or the other people he may or may not have made deals with etc

There's no community in our area either but it's because of anti social behaviour of the historically white English council estate families who emerge at 11am in bathrobes.

The new (Muslim) members of our community keep their head down and go to work each day.

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Absolutely ! The benefit system has rather ironically destroyed communities because so few people seem to want to work when there's an alternative source of income.

Most people can’t afford to live on minimum wage roles that’s the problem. Immigrants are exploited in the low paid, hard graft roles. I don’t see that as something for a country to be proud of.

I agree with this. Tolerant Britain is finished and we are getting something else now. And it is not the fault of the British people at all. It's the fault of successive governments and politicians not sorting the country out and instead pushing immigration for idealogical reasons or for the interests of big business at the expense of the people of this country.

If half the street is Muslim and half the street is White British, there isn’t a segregated enclave, is there?

We would fix our employment woes simply by ensuring people aren’t given free money, and work for a living. Of course those that are bed bound with disabilities or hospitalised with serious illness must be provided for, but everyone else needs to be contributing.

I honestly don’t think they do. They can’t or they would see what that is like on a day to day basis.

The men in my area aren’t doctors or nurses wanting to work and integrate.

It’s absolute hell. Especially for the young girls here. But say that, and you are a racist.

It’s the same here.

I think the thing that sets us apart from other animal species is that we have awareness, socialisation, civilisation. We are being pushed back to our animalistic tendencies due to global problems. It’s making us territorial and putting our own needs before the needs of others.
I think we need to get back to more nurturing, social, empathetic behaviours because these are the key skills that have allowed us to thrive. Contempt breeds contempt.

Sorry what has what other countries do got to do with the UK?

if other countries want to enforce their own rules that’s up to them. Try going to France and not learning French- you won’t get very far!

I am English and work a minimum wage job and do not feel exploited. We are a service based economy and naturally many of the service jobs are minimum wage. I can count on one hand how many English people I work with though.

Truly, I have always found him utterly repugnant and have been mystified that others have not seen it for themselves. Thankfully, the scales are now falling from many people's eyes.

"whilst not actually deporting people"

Starmer has said he is deporting people and will deport more. Now like you I think he is just lying, but is that something to be praised? Is it grown up?

You can only push a nation so far, even a tolerant open minded society will reach their limits when their own leaders fail to protect them from exploitation, and this is exploitation on an industrial scale.

£6 billion over two years - £6 million PER DAY

and we wonder why people have had enough?

I’m not sure why Starmer supporters think it won’t be Reform who benefit from his speech.