To think Starmer is utterly reprehensible

[Thegreyhound]

I know everyone will disagree, that’s ok- But I just have to say that Starmer today seems to have sunk lower than I ever believed he would with his incendiary ‘island of strangers’ and ‘incalculable damage’ rhetoric.
I find it particularly shocking because he has calculated this and decided it’s worth it to throw immigrants under the bus and essentially give all the ground in the debate to Farage, Tommy Robinson and Enoch Powell types.
Policy can be altered without making statements that are designed to impact race relations and make life even more difficult for people who are just trying to get along and make a living here.
Starmer is vile. This country does indeed feel like an island of strangers these days but the strangers are not the immigrants :(

But isn’t that the problem ‘half the people in your street are Muslim’. For a truely integrated society, everyone of every religion should be mixed up. There shouldn’t be concentrations of any demographic in any area surely? My family were immigrants but I don’t live alongside anyone of the same background as my family to my knowledge. I don’t know the religion of anyone around me either nor do I have any interest.

And so what if they are? Like it or not, people are fed up of feeling like strangers in their own country. I’m fed up of being harassed for not dressing “modestly” enough. I’m fed up of being made to feel like a second class citizen just because I’m a woman.

Don't be ridiculous. Human rights has been open to abuse, which itself brings about injustice. Immigration rules are stifled often by ECHR. Look at the deportee who went on to rape a woman after the white saviours stopped him from being deported. Funny how protecting women is paramount, except when it comes to certain cultures. More virtue signalling. Reform don't want to dismantle human rights per se. I am in agreement with their stance on both ECHR and the Equality Act often being used manipulativey, when it comes to immigration.

If that’s his strategy for the next election he’s seriously misjudged some lifelong Labour voters. I’m not voting Labour to get Enoch Powell. Labour has lost my vote.

Who are you going to vote for now?

I live in Manchester, in an area with a lot of immigration. They don't integrate, they dont speak English, they dont say hello (im actively ignored if I smile and wave at my neighbours) the park signs are written in several languages. The streets are full of dumped items and rubbish.

Call me racist if you want but it doesn't feel like the same country I grew up in. Theres no community, it feels like I live in their country.

Do you mean smash the gangs?

How’s it going?

There have never been any white British rapists, have there?

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That's horrible. Interesting to hear one poster say boats are exaggerated for right wing clicks. Isnt the amounts of boats documented? So can't be exaggerated?
I'm afraid to read any of the articles about boats as it sounds so dire. Its not clickbait...Many people with hands over ears. Very fearful with how to engage.

Impressive your community is working together.

What policy does reform have other than sinking the boats?

I live in Rochdale, the neighbours are friendly. It’s 21% ethnic minority and I feel like I live in England.

He's completely deluded if he thinks English people are going to suddenly want to start taking up all the jobs that hard working immigrants do. There is no shortage of minimum wage jobs in this country but we don't seem to want to do them. We're not known for our work ethic in the UK. We need immigration.

If we could deport white British rapists to another country that would be good. But we can't. But we should be able to deport non British rapists to their country of origin if they rape here. They've outstayed their welcome.

@Dangermoo

But give a good argument back rather than emoji?
It’s a valid point.
And there is one overwhelming factor - that that rapists are male, whatever race.

Should we deport all males?

Not Manchester, but my former town where I lived has become a complete cess pit.
I feel sorry for my kids who can't afford to live anywhere else, they hate the area too.

You first. Is Labour’s focus on gangs working as you implied?

Quite a few, which non advocates for Reform refer to.

The changes to the Employers NI and the reduction in vacancies due to Angela Rayner's workers rights legislation should sort that out as paid work becomes harder to come by.

Bring back torture.
Bring back the death penalty.
Privatise the NHS.
As of yesterday 22 newly-elected Reform councillors had resigned when they realised they’d actually be expected to do some work.

Surely the 22 councillors thing is false? That’s utterly hilarious

I didn't even vote Labour at the last election. (Nor Tory nor Reform, just so we're clear.)

I get that it's hard to accept that someone can look at a thing on its merits and see beyond the intellectual slam dunk of "Powell and Starmer both said the word strangers while talking about immigration." I genuinely think these are good, fairly sensible policies and that the word "strangers" is not rephrehsible, and I do not feel thrown under a bus.

Meanwhile my experience of being Schrodinger's Immigrant has been vastly enhanced by this thread. I'm used to simultaneously taking all the jobs and leaching off the state, but this has been quite the ride.

Plenty of people have problems with any of us who are immigrants

Considering you're clearly from the Anglosphere, this is victimhood misappropriation at its finest.

A stupid so called joke obviously, no one is laughing.

This is mumsnet and the conversation here whilst challenging is still for the most part polite and respectful.

It is far away from the conversations I hear locally, amongst young people, older people and those struggling to find jobs and housing.

Whilst mumsnet suggests frustration, what I hear is a growing fury, real anger, real resentment about how difficult people's lives are becoming. The solutions suggested go far beyond the what people are describing as 'far right' in this conversation.

I think Keir Starmer has been forced to act because there is a real fear of civil conflict in the UK, and rightly or wrongly, the main issue is immigration.