To think Starmer is utterly reprehensible

[Thegreyhound]

I know everyone will disagree, that’s ok- But I just have to say that Starmer today seems to have sunk lower than I ever believed he would with his incendiary ‘island of strangers’ and ‘incalculable damage’ rhetoric.
I find it particularly shocking because he has calculated this and decided it’s worth it to throw immigrants under the bus and essentially give all the ground in the debate to Farage, Tommy Robinson and Enoch Powell types.
Policy can be altered without making statements that are designed to impact race relations and make life even more difficult for people who are just trying to get along and make a living here.
Starmer is vile. This country does indeed feel like an island of strangers these days but the strangers are not the immigrants :(

Who said any use of it is acceptable?

You?

Also people are conflating many things. There are concerns about immigration and concerns about crime.

Two completely different topics.

Exactly.

It’s not random - given you didn’t know until about an hour ago that child marriages were a thing, if educated yourself you’d see that generally boys have a much higher age of marriage than girls do, and that statistically the age gaps are large. It’s not “random” or unlikely that a couple seeking asylum from a part of the world where child marriage are a thing, would be in this situation. Who do you think holds the power - the man or woman?

If you don’t understand the difference between victim and abuser I can’t help you. Maybe some women from these countries DO hate women. I can’t police the thoughts of every citizen. But where we should worry is “hating women AND having power”. Men fit that bill. Women do not.

I don't. I'm curious, are you willing to share where you live?

Yeah, one branch of my family lives in a country where you can only be naturalized through marriage. You can only work there if no non-citizen can be found to do the job, and you have to leave if you are no longer working. You cannot buy property either. (Some exceptions for people investing very large amounts in business but even then they have to have local involvement.)

You didn’t read my post. Or you likely misread it.

I said I am pro migrants being assessed the way I was when moving overseas: “as an individual” to which you responded:

”Is that really what you want? Because when I lived abroad I had to prove that I could support myself and would not cause any kind of cost to the host country”

Nothing to do with what I said.

And we will have to massively agree to disagree on Handsworth and what it was like to live there (it doesn’t even have a muslim majority - it’s overwhelming British / Black-Caribbean, Hindu and Sikh.) Unless you actually mean Perry-Barr / Aston way?

How do you know how divers they are? You didn’t even know about child brides until an hour ago. Now you know the diversity of all child brides countries.

Meanwhile this is a subject I’ve know about for many years, have fundraiser for and donated to and been involved in fighting against this. 1 in 5 girls in the world are married before the age of 18. Do you think this is in Europe?

Sorry, still asking?

It’s 100+ countries. They are diverse.

I think we are all wondering. It’s never been stipulated.

They aint that diverse. If you bothered to look you’d know that. But you won’t look into to - you’ll just stay here virtue signalling, waiting for the prize I’m sure you think you’re gonna get somewhere. You don’t give a shit about girls forced into marriage, you only wanna prove how right-on you are.

Seriously though if you weren’t aware of child marriages and stoning before tonight I’m very worried about your world view.

I apologise. You clearly have a unique insight into the area and any disagreement (btw, I never said it was an only Muslim area) must be due to some kind of degenerate thought on my part.

Btw, it wasn't just white girls being sexually assaulted on the bus and on their way home from school.

@JHound Like I said, if you lived there for a significant amount of time, then you know quite well of the problems. So just be honest.

I did not say I have a unique view of the area nor did I mention white girls.

I said we have to agree to disagree. And we do. Your experience is not my experience.

I cannot “be honest” about something that us jot my experience.

Please, please, please. One more time, I just want OP to tell me why Starmer is reprehensible?
i absolutely have my opinions about Starmer, but I just want to understand the reprehensible bit???

I’ll give it a try: OP says he said a load of mean stuff about immigrants (turns out he didn’t, she misread the articles) and she doesn’t like it because it’s not immigrants ruining the country. I think. It’s hard to pick up details amongst all the lefty posturing

I'd be interested to know when you were actually living there, and at what age. Because, tbh, you sound like you were a student who roughed it for a year and think that gives them a lifetime worth of "well, on my gap yah everyone was lovely!" lectures for the plebs.

Neededa · Today 01:12

Please, please, please. One more time, I just want OP to tell me why Starmer is reprehensible?
i absolutely have my opinions about Starmer, but I just want to understand the reprehensible bit???

I think the OP set out her stall pretty clearly in her original post. If you don’t understand it, that’s an English comprehension issue that I don’t think the OP can help you with.

I’m waiting for a few more weeks …. I swore I’d give Labour a year before shouting “told you so”, but it’s getting more difficult by the day to keep quiet.
Starmers legacy is going to be that he destroyed the Labour Party and made them unelectable for at least another decade.

Agree.

Starmer is just a bucket of custard, he will probably turn out to be the worst in a line of god awful PMs.

As for immigration the outcome will be to make it harder for people taking legal routes; mixed nationality families, international students, graduates. The effect on boats full of young blokes landing in Dover will be minimal.

Really? Seriously, re-read the OPs original post! I do not understand why she is calling Starmer reprehensible?
I am not being an arse, you have no idea about my politics.
I seriously want to know why the OP thinks that whatever Starmer has said today is REPREHENSIBLE?
I DONT UNDERSTAND.
If the OP is annoyed about too much immigration, or not enough immigration, I don’t care.
i just want to know what Starmer has done today to upset the OP

Why would anybody go to Handsworth for a gap year?

Hamdsworth is where I was born and raised. Left to go to uni. Been back briefly before multiple moves in the UK and overseas before living there again briefly. Now dwell in London but still visit Handsworth frequently because much of my family is still there. I am sorry that your experience of Handsworth is categorised by “long term harassment and abuse of girls.” It’s just not my experience, nor experience of my friends, my cousins, my niece, my step-sisters nor my half-sisters. At best creepy men outside bookies) but that’s it.

It’s interesting how you seemed to accuse me of denying your experience when actually it’s you who is insisting that your unique experience is the only possible experience to have being from Handsworth and everybody else is a liar.

Every accusation is a confession.

I’m glad you dragged the US into this.
The Trump administration is expelling US citizens along with green card holders and illegal immiegrants - all brown and Black.
They even deported a little girl suffering from cancer and confiscated her medication.
Today, however, it was announced that they’ll be flying in white South Africans because they’re getting picked on.
They’re flying white people into the United States.
I can’t.
edited for clarity