To think Starmer is utterly reprehensible

[Thegreyhound]

I know everyone will disagree, that’s ok- But I just have to say that Starmer today seems to have sunk lower than I ever believed he would with his incendiary ‘island of strangers’ and ‘incalculable damage’ rhetoric.
I find it particularly shocking because he has calculated this and decided it’s worth it to throw immigrants under the bus and essentially give all the ground in the debate to Farage, Tommy Robinson and Enoch Powell types.
Policy can be altered without making statements that are designed to impact race relations and make life even more difficult for people who are just trying to get along and make a living here.
Starmer is vile. This country does indeed feel like an island of strangers these days but the strangers are not the immigrants :(

If you are against importing people from
Misogynist cultures then why make an exception for women? Women can be misogynists too.

I’ll give you a clue - it’s not Norway.

Extensive polling conducted by ICM suggests that in most cases attitudes held by the British Muslim population do not broadly differ from those held by the population at large, but there are significant differences when it comes to some issues such as homosexuality and women’s rights.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

I really can’t be doing with your faux naivety.

It has like 100 postcodes, which postcode do you live in?

I believe they are looking for a stable, and perhaps slowly declining, population, rather than growth.

Also how can you “love Sikhs”?

How can you love or hate anybody you don’t know? I just cannot imagine generalising any group of people to suggest I love / hate them as a collective.

I think he would be rather stupid to take the same line as the previous government and increase immigration further.

The best thing for the country would be to rejoin the EU and have lots of people who work here for a bit then go home again more often that those who want to bring entire families of dependents and stay for good. And give us all a chance to leave the country easily or work or study somewhere else for a bit.

But that would play into the hands of the right also at the moment. It's a diificult path to tread.

You're required to pay a substantial NHS surcharge as part of your spouse visa application and spouses don't have access to public funds for at least three years before they can apply for indefinite leave to remain. (Not to mention the minimum income requirement of 29k). So it's a bit more complicated than that.

People forget that a lot of these countries aren't governed by state law so much as local village councils. They will sometimes order things like the rape of the daughters in a family as punishment for the actions of the sons.

Farage did not vote for the 2 DC cap like KS did.

But it’s not because you know fine well women are treated like this in other places. I’m not sure what giving you a list will achieve anything other than some woke platitudes about tolerance, so unless you convince me otherwise I’m not sure it’s worth my time?

Also Google is you’re friend if you’re genuinely that ignorant.

Farage spouted misogynistic views similar to those of Trump recently. Perhaps those from countries where women are second class citizens would be Reform voters as they have so much in common.

And emigrating to more tolerant societies does not deter many men from enacting honour based violence. It’s estimated 5,000 happen worldwide every year.

I would not worry too much as they probably won’t do anything about it in reality.It’s just hot air.

Better a Starmer than a Farage as pm. You might not care but lots of people don’t like mass migration. You probably don’t live somewhere majority minority.

@JandamiHash
This Iraq law?

https://www.walkfree.org/news/2025/iraqs-new-law-allowing-children-as-young-as-9-to-marry-undermines-women-and-girls-rights/

Under Iraq’s new law, girls can legally marry from the age of 9 in certain circumstances, depending on religious interpretations. The legal marriage age for boys has also been reduced from 18 to 15.
The law gives religious authorities the power to decide on family matters, including marriage, divorce, and child custody, and abolishes a longstanding ban on child marriage under the age of 18, which had been in place since the 1950s.
This change significantly reduces protections for women and children, exposing them to greater risks of exploitation and abuse.

A law that contravenes Iraq’s own national laws? Why are you assuming the existance of extremists forcing their will tells you anything about the broader views among the Iraqi populace.

The same country that passed this law also:

The new legislation not only contradicts Iraq’s existing legal framework but also breaches international agreements.
Iraq has previously criminalised forced marriage and endorsed treaties such as the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) and the Convention on the Rights of the Child, both of which prohibit child marriage.

If you cannot answer a question just say that.

So because you “got out unscathed” other people who have experience of the serious oppression that religions bring, must be..lying? Exaggerating? Hysterical (your word BTW)? Misunderstood?

Just trying to figure out how your experience is relevant on a population level?

How have you missed this? Genuinely, how have you got to middle age and not know there’s a world outside the UK that is different?

Sounds like he said anything to save his position. Pathetic. His tune only changed when he realised Reform threatens him.

Is the penalty for being uncovered in Iran “being stoned to death” which was the claim?

Thank you for at least providing the name of a country. Many just seem to want to respond based on stereotypes they have heard but without knowing much beyond that. And yes Iran permits child marriages with parental consent. But it is not only Islamic or Poor countries which don’t have a minimum age for marriage.

This. Think she must be licking her fingers with the amount of barrel scraping she's doing. Very disingenuous.

What is a “woke” platitude?

At this stage I am thinking maybe it’s a language model.

I said the world outside the UK is not different?

Where did I say that?