To think Starmer is utterly reprehensible

[Thegreyhound]

I know everyone will disagree, that’s ok- But I just have to say that Starmer today seems to have sunk lower than I ever believed he would with his incendiary ‘island of strangers’ and ‘incalculable damage’ rhetoric.
I find it particularly shocking because he has calculated this and decided it’s worth it to throw immigrants under the bus and essentially give all the ground in the debate to Farage, Tommy Robinson and Enoch Powell types.
Policy can be altered without making statements that are designed to impact race relations and make life even more difficult for people who are just trying to get along and make a living here.
Starmer is vile. This country does indeed feel like an island of strangers these days but the strangers are not the immigrants :(

In which countries is that accepted and legal?

Iraq has lowered its age of consent to 9. I don’t want Iraqi men in this country. They may not agree with it but TBH why take the risk.

All Iraqi women and girls are vulnerable, and given asylum is for those at risk of death or oppression there’s no reason we couldn’t allow them in (but it’s unlikely they’d be able to why away).

Afghanistan is committing the most horrific atrocities against women and girls. Yet it’s the second highest country for asylum seekers in 2024. Most asylum seekers are men. I’m not ok with this. Are you?

Iran is one country that allows child brides and forces women to cover up.

They sound hysterical. I live in London and never once have I worried about being stabbed or shot. And my last neighbourhood had three stabbings pretty much on my doorstep in 2 years.

Although that’s nothing to do with immigration.

No one is saying that.

But you have to realize that not all cultures have the same beliefs about important elements of our society. And they will bring those beliefs here.

Yes, there will be exceptions. But when you are talking about bringing in large numbers of people, most will have the kinds of beliefs that are common in that culture.

My cousin lives in a city where there have recently been outbreaks of street violence between Hindus and Muslims. Guess what - they are not local people. There hasn't been sectarian violence like that for over 100 years there.

The countries where they stone young women to death for having a boyfriend from a different religious background.

I’m sorry, I haven’t read the whole thread, just the first couple of pages, and I honestly don’t understand why you think he is reprehensible?
is he too pro immigration or too anti? I’m not taking the piss, I really don’t understand why he has annoyed you so much? I know what I think but I really don’t know what you do?

Think it's their attempt at 'being clever'. It doesn't work anymore, people see straight through it.

Do you not know how question marks work?

No it’s my “attempt” at asking a question.

Sadly honour based violence is accepted in a number of different countries including places such as Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan. It might not be technically illegal but in many of these countries the law is often not enforced to protect women.

Middle aged.

Well I thought so too. But then I don’t live in London anymore so no idea.

Reading back my post is quite unclear. Unfortunately too late to edit. The boys are in London. I’m in the ‘safe’ country. Which sometimes I worry is not so safe. Not because of gangs. But because we are housing many people from potentially awful backgrounds; some of who will be severely mentally unwell.

There’s literally an ongoing saga currently about a poor man who’s sitting on a bench staring blankly into space clearly having a mental breakdown who only speaks Farsi and as he has no home address and no GP, and is not from the hotel - that no one will section them. That’s been about 2 weeks now of everyone ringing and ferrying them to A&E and he keeps turning up again.

Thankfully he doesn’t seem a risk to anyone else, but he does need help.

Have you REALLY never heard that some countries have child brides? Have you been living under a rock? Or are you being obtuse?

I hope you're learning lots, seeing as you ask so many of them.

I do but I don’t believe for one second you don't know what countries treat their women worse than dogs, stone them to death for not covering up and think marrying children is fine 🤷‍♀️

While I do really appreciate how effective he is on the global stage , plus trade deals etc and the improvements he's made to working conditions, the NHS etc over the short time he's been pm. I honestly cannot fathom why it's a good idea to cull the foreign care workers coming to the UK.

When you increase the birthrate it's a slow process. Children typically live with their parents for 18 years.

But I think the real issue is that when you add a lot of extra people and therefore suppress wages and raise rents you will suppress the birth rate.

Where did you read that? Interestingly I lived years in a part of Birmingham with a very high muslim population (literally one of a handful of families on the street that were non-muslim)
and managed to come through unscathed which according to MN is a miracle.

I just don’t see the issue with parts of Brum
having ethnic minority majorities not even with your example (Muslims are still a teeny minority in the UK.) Parts of Brum have been like that since I was at school decades ago

But you are still increasing the population who in turn will have more kids each generation.

Women only. And only if we are economically able to help - which I doubt we are.

So to answer your question - no, not really.

But Afghanistan is 3,500 miles away. Why do we need to accept them? Iraq actually has have rates of welcoming immigrants, shouldn’t they go there before they come here? We are a tiny island and we can’t cope.

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I don’t. I wonder if the posters making those claims do - so wanted to know if they can name them.

Can you? Which countries stone women to death for not covering up?

They live at home in Europe a hell of a lot longer. 30.