To think Starmer is utterly reprehensible

[Thegreyhound]

I know everyone will disagree, that’s ok- But I just have to say that Starmer today seems to have sunk lower than I ever believed he would with his incendiary ‘island of strangers’ and ‘incalculable damage’ rhetoric.
I find it particularly shocking because he has calculated this and decided it’s worth it to throw immigrants under the bus and essentially give all the ground in the debate to Farage, Tommy Robinson and Enoch Powell types.
Policy can be altered without making statements that are designed to impact race relations and make life even more difficult for people who are just trying to get along and make a living here.
Starmer is vile. This country does indeed feel like an island of strangers these days but the strangers are not the immigrants :(

Of course London is seemingly unsafe; it's grossly unequal. Easy enough for governments to blame the results of their damaging ideology on migrants on hotels but also rather disingenuous.

Some parts of Brum are bad enough! Our British Pakistani security guard gets shit from the local residents for speaking English and working with 'goras'. The kids throw stuff at him and I'm guessing they got this from their parents.

Which countries are those?

You only get a net economic benefit if the tax on their spending (and earning) is higher than the amount the state spends on them.

Some people will pay a lot more tax than the state spends on them

However the Deliveroo rider on the illegal e-bike, probably not, particularly if they have a non earning spouse and 4 kids

fyi : The state spends about 13k per person.

They won’t need conscripting. Last month the government announced that those under 25 will not be able to claim certain unemployment benefits(which they get at the moment). Also, self declared issues with “anxiety” will no longer be accepted for disability benefits. The goverment also announced schemes to get these youngsters into training. I’m sure Care Work will be on the list.

In the 2008 recession people where campaigning for the banks not to br bailed out, by the tax payer. and for corporations to pay the business tax they were shirking. At the time it was said, that costa's tax bill, if paid would have cleared the austerity debt.
Amazon, Costa, and the Philp green corp never paid tax.

And what's worse they took away Big Topshop. The real victim in all this.

In about 2012 we had the expenses scandle, exposing the wider level of corruption and dishonesty underpinning gov. And sort of shaping a power structure where there real movitives seem to be displayed - but no ones really surprised.

The only 'positive' news In recient years is the positive test results from swabbing the parliament toilets for drug use.

They should all be suspended and not aloud jobs in public sector - how are they deciding about peoples lives and large scale environmental issues, and there fucking high?

Inforce corporation tax, no stupid money for being an mp, no coke when passing laws that affect vulnerable people.

It's not really known for making people compassionate, rational, forward planning.

Same. I grew up surrounded by people from all over the world. It was a vastly superior environment to that I currently live in where everyone comes from the same very small environment and views "outsiders" with hostile suspicion.

So let's say you're talking about Afghanistan

Are you really saying no one from Afghanistsn should be allowed to emigrate here? Even if they're fleeing the Taliban? Even if they helped the British in their invasion of Afghanistan?

WeldonWenger · Today 23:17

I live in Bradford - born and bred and year on year I feel more like an outsider. I was at school in the 1970s so this is my life.
I don’t think anyone who hasn’t been could imagine what it is like to live here.
i drive home from work to be faced by beggars approaching my car at traffic lights. Last week 2 men rode past me on the pavement on a horse. I’ve seen someone defecate in a doorway in the city centre.
My Dd was in a care home where none of the staff had functional English - a role was advertised for a new member of staff and the advert stated English was not necessary. People joke about the standard of driving - again, unless you experience folk driving at you down the centre of the road or on the pavement you wouldn’t believe it. It seems like the law no longer applies.

I appreciate the honesty that you don’t like being a minority in the place where you live. That’s probably a natural sentiment but I don’t know why you are associating begging and public defecation with immigrants per se. I would be thinking these are people on the edge of society, substance abusers perhaps. These ones may have been members of an ethnic minority but that’s due to the local population. Such behaviour is perpetrated by white British people elsewhere.

Foreign staff in care homes is a longstanding issue. The work is physically demanding, low paid and low status. ‘Natives’ don’t want to do it. What is your solution? Higher pay (difficult to achieve) is only part of the solution.

What’s wrong with parts of Birmingham having parts where the “ethnic minority” is a majority?

They are still mostly Britons. I thought opposition to immigration was nothing to do with race. Was that a lie?

I think you have missed the point of my post.

That there are many living in London and down south have not visited the rest of the country for the last 10 years (the boring non holiday locations) and there’s lots of areas that are nearly unrecognisable due to migration. And that we have our own potentially more worrying problems.

Why is it that so many MN posters seem to think that you can shoehorn any old Joe into care work ?

He's pathetic, and jumping on the bandwagon as he has finally realised what a large number of voters are angry about (hence the voting for Reform). I don't expect Labour to actually make any difference though.

Inner city for me. Definitely not watching anything from “afar”

It depends on the type of immigration - the Migration Observatory has some good resources on this.

If it's higher paid immigrants who are less likely to live here into retirement - representing not just pensions but increased health and social care costs - then the net benefit is usually pretty clear even if those immigrants have kids/use the education and healthcare systems.

Lower paid, lower skilled migrants are more likely to have wages topped up by the state at some point, after they have indefinite leave to remain. Post-Brexit they are more likely to be from more distant countries, often with less good social welfare systems - meaning it's harder to maintain regular ties in their home countries and less incentive to retire there.

Got to love the faux naivety 😆

Oh come the fuck on

Newborns are not getting stabbed and shot all over London, if you're that paranoid then sure back to the countryside with you

She may not earn enough (the annual salary requirement is now around £38,000) but her husband may earn much more. But for a spouse visa only the British citizen’s earnings are considered. Six months of payslips showing that salary. So you can have a family who could have a decent income in the UK (based mainly or partly on the non-Brit’s potential salary), whose immigrant partner does not have any right to claim public funds, being denied entry. It’s discrimination against British citizens, often women, whose earning potential is not or may never be that high, from having a right to family life.
And I was responding to the commenter who assumed that all couples/families who want to live in the UK are made up of a non-British spouse who earns nothing and wants to live off benefits.

It can’t simultaneously be true that the country is too full but we also need to increase the birthrate.

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How old are you?

Half of UK Muslims when surveyed stated that being gay should be an imprisonable crime. I don't think that's great. I love Sikhs though and worked for a Sikh business for three years. I was treated like family.

Superb post 👌👏

I know 😂 I didn’t say that! The Londoners were saying these are there fears. I assume by rogue gang warfare as opposed migrants.

How many more people will fail to read my post? 😅

Are you seriously suggesting that out of hundreds of thousands of under 25s, not in education, training or work, there won’t be anyone who can train to be a carer?