To think Starmer is utterly reprehensible

[Thegreyhound]

I know everyone will disagree, that’s ok- But I just have to say that Starmer today seems to have sunk lower than I ever believed he would with his incendiary ‘island of strangers’ and ‘incalculable damage’ rhetoric.
I find it particularly shocking because he has calculated this and decided it’s worth it to throw immigrants under the bus and essentially give all the ground in the debate to Farage, Tommy Robinson and Enoch Powell types.
Policy can be altered without making statements that are designed to impact race relations and make life even more difficult for people who are just trying to get along and make a living here.
Starmer is vile. This country does indeed feel like an island of strangers these days but the strangers are not the immigrants :(

True. I’m sure they’ll not remember…

No healthcare, no benefits?
Believe me; Spain is not easy to live in.

It’s so blatantly obvious the people that live in the rich counties and watch this shit from afar.

I have a relative who is a social worker in Bradford and deals with many multigenerational immigrant families who are all married to each other and has been involved in numerous situations with child “marriages” with 13 year olds (unofficially) “marrying men in their 30’s. These are sometimes uncles and cousins.

Of you take inner city Coventry or Birmingham you can see the impact of unrestrained immigraation. 1/2 of Leicester adults not speaking English as a first language and large areas of inner city Birmingham with ethnic 'minority' majorities.

People do see the tensions and harm to the social fabric of having multiple communities failing to integrate and essentially wishing to live a life part with their own faith and culture a their foremost loyalty. The world is inundated with expamples of the failure of different cultures failing to live together or wishing dominion over each other so we have to ask is this the direction we want to see Britain moving in? With no limits on immigration our demographics, majority religion and culture will change and I think people have a right to be concerened.

Jeremy Corbyn the terrorist supporter? That Jeremy corbyn?

There are hundreds of thousands of under 25s not in employment or education. I’m sure some of them could be trained to be care workers. We can’t keep taking foreign people to do jobs we are quite capable of doing.

It's just so xenophobic and ignorant to assume everyone 'from certain cultures' will behave in criminal ways. Really, every single person from certain countries or religion will murder and rape women?

Not to mention these rules will also affect women trying to leave these cultures you hate so much

Your comment shows you know nothing about the visa requirements. And those on a visa have no recourse to public funds. Plus they pay a charge to use the health service. Do some research before you spout off.

@JassyRadlett thats interesting, I'd love to learn more about that. I always thought immigration boosted the economy by boosting population, supporting pensions, entrepreneurship, etc

Spain has quite good healthcare. But you’re right that European migrants to Spain tend not to claim benefits and are usually net contributors

I think some people just don’t see it because they haven’t been around the country in recent years. Or more to holiday locations only.

Was chatting a few weeks ago with a group of lovely lads, moved from the country to London and have been there as a young professional for the past 10 years. They were talking about how they need to move to the country as London is becoming increasingly unsafe and how they wouldn’t want their wife walking around with a newborn in case they got shot or stabbed. I thought to myself quite over dramatic. And on the other side of my brain I mused about how my children go to one of the most prestigious schools in the country and it’s right next door to a migrant hotel and how on occasion it crosses my mind that it may house someone damaged and mentally ill from a war torn country who might go rogue one day. And I thought best not to crush his dreams of the safe country. So I nodded and hmm’med.

This country has changed very quickly in the past 10 years or so. I doubt parents 15 years or so ago had these thoughts intruding their minds.

It’s more likely that people from cultures where child brides are not allowed and women are expected to cover up, are more likely to be misogynists and criminals. I don’t want them mixing amongst me or my DD. Do bed your pardon for not being woke but I’d rather be a realist.

But that’s what @Ottersmith is complaining about. The immigration system doesn’t let her bring her husband as she doesn’t earn enough that he would qualify for a visa.

Are you going to conscript people to be care workers?

The problem isn't training, it's wages. It's one of many minimum wage jobs that British people don't want to do. So unless the government is going to fund wage increases all that will happen is a massive shortage.

I was raised in an area with loads of immigrants inclusing those whose first language was not English.

Never felt strange at all

Not to mention the damage that pedophile and grooming rings have done directly BECAUSE these cultures despise and want to harm little white girls - it’s entirely relevant we shouldn’t welcome people who pose this risk.

What do we actually need so many unskilled men in this country for anyway? Because I do care about women I am far less bothered about women and children but it’s criminal that we just open the door for random men.

Do you not understand that there are countries where people have those kinds of beliefs about women? Do you not read the news?

Or are you saying that it's bigoted not to be ok with them?

This is headline news yet behind the scenes the Starmer government has been working on anti-migrant legislation for a while. For example, earlier this year, it became law that those who entered the UK illegally at any time are no longer eligible to apply for UK citizenship. Yet as many know, almost all legal routes of entry have been closed off.

Starmer openly says he's appealing to key voters, in other words those he naively thinks he can charm away from Reform. What about the rest of us - do we not count? He says working people want him to limit migration. I'm a working person and he doesn't speak for me.

It may not be racist to "have concerns about immigration" but amplifying those concerns until they seem like an always valid and pressing issue plays into the hands of the fascist far right. We can't deny the importance of migration for socio-economic success - who wants to live in a mono-culture? Better to emphasise the benefits of a diverse nation while dealing with incidents of criminal behaviour as they arise, whether they're commited by migrant or indigenous men.

He see that Reform is getting a lot of votes and so is going all Enoch Powell to beat them.

I am not sure it will work but we will see. The next GE is far away.

The UK has one of the lowest productivity rates out of OECD countries because of instead of investing in skills, processes and technology it relied on importing cheap labour with he encouragement of big business who wanted to keep waves low the easy way.

Is that causation or correlation. Loads of countries with higher productivity also have high rates of immigration.

It's not the wages - it is the alternative is too lucrative. If the government stopped funding their lifestyle they would soon get a job. It can't be right that people travel halfway around the world to do a job that someone can't be arsed to walk to the end of their road todo.

Not everyone from any culture is the same. But pp is right, we should be concerned at large numbers of immigrants from misogynistic cultures.

Which countries is it the norm for all people to believe this?

And if it’s the norm then surely women from
those countries should not be allowed either.