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To lie to the school for DD?

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Ankther · 11/05/2025 17:05

DD is in Year 12. Her school runs a ‘Year 12 leadership day’ every year on the last day before May half-term with two half-day activities - usually army-style fitness and debating.

Dd certainly hasn’t been looking forward to this - not so much the debating part (she’s good at English/history and can put together strong arguments) but the army fitness element really isn’t her thing. She’s rubbish at PE but probably more to the point, she struggles socially, and just can’t get on board with ‘enforced fun’ type activities that require everyone to make a fool of themselves in front of others.

She previously had to do an army fitness afternoon in Year 9 - she had been begging me to let her skip it for weeks but I took the line that it’s important to do things that don’t come naturally to you and made her go in. Additionally, honesty is incredibly important to me and I’ve never been willing to lie to the school and tell them she’s ill when she isn’t. However, as soon as she got home she proudly told me that she’d done one activity and then told the teachers she felt dizzy and sat out the rest of the afternoon.

She hadn’t asked to skip the day this time around - I imagine she was planning to sit most of the fitness activities out again like she did in Year 9. However, she found out on Friday that the morning activity isn’t debating but instead a stand-up comedy workshop, which is her absolute worst nightmare. The prospect of having to stand up in front of her peers and try to tell jokes while no one laughs is totally terrifying and humiliating for her.

The usual lines about school preparing for you for adult life where you sometimes have to do things you don’t want aren’t going to work here - as she’s pointed out repeatedly, I’ve never had to do a stand-up comedy workshop or an army fitness day at work… When I tried to discuss it with her calmly this afternoon it ended up with her hyperventilating and having a full-blown panic attack. It took nearly an hour to get her breathing normally again.

She’s now said she simply isn’t going into school on that day, and it’s up to me whether I lie and tell them she’s ill, or if I tell the truth. She’s 17 and I can’t physically force her onto the school bus against her will, so I guess that’s the decision I have to make.

On the one hand, if I tell the school the truth, I worry that it will reflect badly on her - the school have been clear that they expect 100% attendance - and it could maybe even impact the reference they give her for her UCAS application next year (may well be paranoia on my part).

On the other hand, even if I say she’s ill, I’m fairly sure her teachers will see right through it - they know her and they’re fully aware this day is her worst nightmare. Plus she’s never missed school due to illness before so it would be pretty convenient for her to suddenly be ill now. And as I mentioned above, honesty is a key value of mine - I will find it very difficult to lie to the school, and I’m concerned that it’s Dd’s default response to get out of something she doesn’t want to do.

Would you lie to the school in this scenario?
(YABU = tell the school the truth / YANBU = lie and tell the school she’s ill)

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Ankther · 11/05/2025 18:54

Isthismykarma · 11/05/2025 18:45

I don’t get why you need to speak to the college at all. She’s 17, she doesn’t fancy going in, she takes the day off. Why do you need to ring up and say why?

I mentioned this up the thread, but it’s the sixth form of a very strict girls’ grammar school rather than a stand-alone sixth form college.

The headmistress (quite an authoritarian figure) makes a big deal of the fact that the girls have chosen to stay on at school rather than attend a college, and they therefore can’t expect the flexibility and independence they would get at a college.

Sixth formers can’t sign themselves in and out - they have to be in school all day every day even if they have all free periods. And parents have to call in to report absence even once the kids are 18.

I think dd would have really thrived in a college environment having that greater degree of independence, but unfortunately neither of the colleges near us offer all three of the A-levels she wanted to take, so she chose to stay at her school.

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AnonWho23 · 11/05/2025 18:55

I wouldn't lie. I'd say she's stressed, anxious and will not be coming in. The wouldn't give get a bad ucas reference.

ThursdayWaitingForChocolate · 11/05/2025 18:57

FGS tell school she's ill! I would've bunked off school without a second thought.

BassesAreBest · 11/05/2025 18:57

The headmistress sounds batshit.

I’m quite surprised all the girls are so compliant, though. Thinking back to my school sixth form, I can think of several girls who would have seen it as a good excuse to organise some kind of communal protest.

Smokesandeats · 11/05/2025 18:58

In my day, we’d have just bunked off without discussing it with our parents! I disappeared from the school premises a few times during PE lessons and sports days. Obviously, I would have absolutely no problem with telling the school she’s unwell 😊

whengodwasarabbit1 · 11/05/2025 18:58

I'm all for kids building resilience and having a go at things that they don't initially want to do but this sounds like it's really affecting her mental health. I wouldn't make her go in.

ThisKindAmberLemur · 11/05/2025 19:01

Teacher here - who teaches KS3, 4 & 5. The school are totally out of order. God knows how they adjust this for any of their NT learners.

You might not want to make a fuss now, but I'd report this ridiculous activity day to the DSL (designated safeguarding lead) as a concern that your daughter isn't being effectively safeguarded - MH implications of this enforced activity. If the school aren't interested in hearing sensible concerns, go straight to your LADO at your local authority.

Ingogneetoh · 11/05/2025 19:06

I wouldn't make her go in, this sounds like a very narrow-minded idea of leadership, catered towards only one personality type.

Not only would I not make her go but I'd let her know it's totally OK for her to skip it. It sounds as though she has a good head on her shoulders and is able to understand this is a very niche situation, not a blanket pass to see school in general as optional. This is a good opportunity to teach her it's OK to put her well-being first sometimes.

I also wouldn't lie to the school. Apart from anything else they'll see right through it. But I genuinely don't think you need to. I think it's totally reasonable to let them know she won't be attending because it is causing her significant anxiety and you have decided it's not in her best interests.

GloriousGoosebumps · 11/05/2025 19:07

I think you're over thinking this - just lie and say your daughter is unwell. I suspect that quite a few of her fellow students will also be unwell on the day. As for those that say stand up comedy will somehow prepare her for work, that's clearly nonsense, firstly because at 17 she doesn't need to be ready for the world of work and probably won't start work until after university so that's plenty of time to develop skills for work. Secondly, there are many skills which are useful for the office but stand up isn't one of them!

MrsSunshine2b · 11/05/2025 19:12

She's 17 and can't be forced to do something against her will. I would just call the school and say she's not coming in because she doesn't want to. What are they actually going to do?

Enthusiasticcarrotgrower · 11/05/2025 19:12

a stand-up comedy workshop, which is her absolute worst nightmare. The prospect of having to stand up in front of her peers and try to tell jokes while no one laughs is totally terrifying and humiliating for her.

I imagine it’s games rather than forcing people to stand up and tell jokes, having had something similar come to a school where I was working once. Then they all had a go at writing something and only a couple of volunteers shared their material.

But clearly the school should have communicated what was involved more clearly rather than cause this level of anxiety.

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 19:13

We had a boy at my sons school ( well two actually ) constantly conveniently being ill when things like this came up. Particularly CCF activities and residentials sleeping under makeshift canvases and generally climbing mud filled hills in the rain and eating army rations

Not everyone enthused about doing any of it but they all built a camaraderie in doing it together. A combined we’ll get through this and support each other in our pain.
Except of course the one than skived off. He struggled making friends before and did himself no favours in getting mum to get him out of the hard stuff. He never really survived well in the friendship department when everyone realised the game he and his mum played.

scotstars · 11/05/2025 19:13

The activity sounds ridiculous I would say she's ill you are not lying the reaction she had to it shows its impacting her mental health. I would like to bet in a full year group she won't be the only 1 not attending

Frostynoman · 11/05/2025 19:16

I imagine it’s workshopping and not an open mic night - as in she doesn’t have to get up there and tell jokes if she doesn’t want to. She should be honest and ask for further info

Annascaul · 11/05/2025 19:21

Those activities are quite different from a standup comedy workshop, to be fair.
I wouldn’t have advised op to collude in missing something like you’ve described, but it’s just not in the same league.

MyCyanReader · 11/05/2025 19:24

NewtonsCradle · 11/05/2025 17:55

Imo the school had created a day where most of the teachers can catch up on work, no new marking is generated and the kids who perform poorly academically will be lauded for their comedy and sporting prowess. No one will be bothered if your daughter is or isn't there as she is probably not the target audience.

WFT???

There is far more to life than academic studies, and for those who find A Levels harder, the school will be putting on this event so that they get the opportunity to feel good about themselves.

I remember doing something similar at school. I was absolutely dreading it, but actually it did my self esteem the world of good and I ended up enjoying some of it.

@Ankther your daughter is (almost) an adult. There will be things in life that she will have to do that she will find daunting. You should encourage her to have a go, or at the very least to be honest with the school and be a grown up and go and talk to the head of 6th form and tell them why she doesn't want to do it.

I would never encourage my child to skive, and I would absolutely NOT lie for them.

Annascaul · 11/05/2025 19:26

MyCyanReader · 11/05/2025 19:24

WFT???

There is far more to life than academic studies, and for those who find A Levels harder, the school will be putting on this event so that they get the opportunity to feel good about themselves.

I remember doing something similar at school. I was absolutely dreading it, but actually it did my self esteem the world of good and I ended up enjoying some of it.

@Ankther your daughter is (almost) an adult. There will be things in life that she will have to do that she will find daunting. You should encourage her to have a go, or at the very least to be honest with the school and be a grown up and go and talk to the head of 6th form and tell them why she doesn't want to do it.

I would never encourage my child to skive, and I would absolutely NOT lie for them.

Why the assumption that someone struggling academically will automatically be good at sport and comedy??

GloriousGoosebumps · 11/05/2025 19:26

Frostynoman · 11/05/2025 19:16

I imagine it’s workshopping and not an open mic night - as in she doesn’t have to get up there and tell jokes if she doesn’t want to. She should be honest and ask for further info

What's workshopping and why would the school describe it as a stand-up comedy workshop if it isn't?

1SillySossij · 11/05/2025 19:28

Just go and don't join in. She needs to learn to speak up for herself

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 11/05/2025 19:29

Absolutely have your dds back. I would be open and honest with the school as to why she isn't going to attend the class.
Give her a hug from me x

kshaw · 11/05/2025 19:29

Absolutely ring in. As an adult I would refuse to take part in a stand up comedy thing, forced fun even for the debate/fitness is my worst nightmare. Hard no

Sunflower1650 · 11/05/2025 19:30

I would keep her off but be honest about why. Tell them she’s stressed and anxious about the event and you’re quite rightly prioritising her mental health.

JoyousEagle · 11/05/2025 19:31

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 19:13

We had a boy at my sons school ( well two actually ) constantly conveniently being ill when things like this came up. Particularly CCF activities and residentials sleeping under makeshift canvases and generally climbing mud filled hills in the rain and eating army rations

Not everyone enthused about doing any of it but they all built a camaraderie in doing it together. A combined we’ll get through this and support each other in our pain.
Except of course the one than skived off. He struggled making friends before and did himself no favours in getting mum to get him out of the hard stuff. He never really survived well in the friendship department when everyone realised the game he and his mum played.

But that’s a very different situation to a 17 year old missing one thing for the first time..

Annascaul · 11/05/2025 19:31

Annascaul · 11/05/2025 19:21

Those activities are quite different from a standup comedy workshop, to be fair.
I wouldn’t have advised op to collude in missing something like you’ve described, but it’s just not in the same league.

@DrPrunesqualer

Notfeelinit · 11/05/2025 19:33

Ankther · 11/05/2025 18:19

No, parents have to report sixth formers’ absences, even once they turn 18. It’s a high-performing but very strict girls’ grammar school, with a fairly authoritarian headmistress.

I’m imagining the Trunchbull 😳