What can labour do about immigration?

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Current poles showing Reform is way ahead of labour now. I’m so worried Reform will win the next general election if Labour don’t get a grip on this issue. And I say that as a Tory voter.

Realistically, what can Labour do, what should they be doing and do we think they will do it?

@Keirawr What are people meant to have learnt from Brexit exactly? Did Boris, Gove et al apologise for their lies and deception? The vast majority of people in Cornwall voted against their interests and didn’t seem to realise that they’ll lose their EU subsidies or simply didn’t seem to realise that that they even had them and now it’s facing a funding crisis. There were many farmers who were receiving EU grants and yet voted in favour of Leave.

It was just an empty slogan, not a policy.

We pay fortunes to catch drug dealers and jail them and then 10 more take their place. It doesn't stop the problem.

You are right. Cooper is wrong to go for the care sector because practicality it won’t work and then she will reverse it.

For me it’s the enforecement. We have nearly 30 barbers in our local town most taking cash only. There are numerous nail bars again with workers who can barely speak English. They should be raided and raided.

Either put the small boats people on large ships around the coast line to process or process offshore. Large groups of young men often with worrying views of women should not be able to set foot in the UK and then disappear into the murky world of crime or whatever it is they are doing.

One thing I do agree with Cooper is repeal the Human Rights Act so that we don’t get the ridiculous reasons as to why they can stay after appeal after appeal.

They do yes but do you not think the ethos of the party has any sway on what people vote for?

You are right that the current government whatever it is gets a lot of stick.

However the right wing parties seem to get a lot of the benefit of the doubt. People seem to have forgotten how vile the Tories were and the disaster that was Brexit spurred on by Farage. Farage doesn't even do surgeries in his constituency and he is claiming an EU pension... yet Starmer gets called out for a free pair of glasses. Double standards

How would you know? Many people live in their ideological silo. And anyone with a brain knows you don't talk about immigration at work unless it's to say how much you love it.

Nope, Corbyn actually got more votes than Starmer , Starmer only got in because the Tory vote collapsed (in large part because of the "Boris wave." And open borders (which all parties have promoted for the past 20 years, the tories on steroids) is extremist not centrist.

What, how would I know that my friends and family don't vote Reform? Er, because we discuss politics, nobody I know at that personal level is in an 'ideological silo', I think the give away may be the language friends use about Reform, unless of course they are very good actors!

At work, well I work for a company in London with a diverse group of people, many Europeans, Scandinavian (of which I have family from myself), Italians, Japanese, they aren't really giving off Reform vibes but maybe.

But in terms of seats, winning seats from the Tories is what Labour under Starmer had to do, Corbyn stood no chance of that, you are being disingenuous!

In addition, the kind of work I do is globalist on outlook, it is not an advantage to growth to be isolationist in outlook so I highly doubt they would vote against their interests.

No I'm not I'm saying Corbyn would have won if he'd been leader in 2024 same as Starmer but in 2019 more people voted for Bozo's lies to get brexit done and reduce immigration. Starmer won by default with only 1 in 5 of the electorate eligible to vote (not people who actually voted as it was historically a very low turnout) voting for Labour. So they weren't popular from the get go, it is just a quirk of our system that they got so many seats.

Did you see the recent elections? You seem to be in denial. People are voting for Reform. You might think they don't exist. But they do.

They aren't voting for Reform where I live and work. It's not denial it's the truth.

'A quirk with the system', what you mean the system that applies to all parties? Reform fielded candidates in 609 seats in the 2024 election, remind me how many did they win again? That said, I think we all should be absolutely terrified of the prospect of a Reform government.

Don’t Japan famously have a population issue which is leading to them being forced to relax their immigration rules because they need about 4x as many immigrants as they currently have?

But I would add, that we shouldn't be complacent, it is a terrifying prospect.

Because where you live will single handedly decide the outcome of the next general election.

Talk about ‘living in a bubble’

@MichaelandKirk So you’d rather the Human Rights Act be repealed because the nail salon workers don’t speak English properly and apparently there are 30 barbers in your town and you’ve somehow checked them all and know that they only take cash. It’s always seems to the be the same talking points doesn’t it?

The Human Rights Act should definitely be abolished, because in effect it is a Criminal Rights Act.

Did you miss the rest of my post x 2 about being terrified of a Reform government?

My goodness, really?

Your seem to have difficulty in understanding (evident from your other replies). I know all other parties are in the same system my original point was about your point saying Corbyn was less popular than Starmer when he wasn't as he got more votes. Reform suffered from this system as got alot of votes but few seats. But once their vote share tips over 30% (already is in some polls) they will reap the rewards and probably get more seats than their votes warrant like Labour did last time. In fact, like Labour, they could get a landslide. I am not at all worried about that as I don't think they'll be as destructive as the uni party (Labour/Tory) have been door the country and particularly the working classes.

I think I'm off to listen to the Uncanny podcast episode about Bigfoot, oddly I find this more comforting than the stuff being believed on this thread.

For most of my life we didn't have the human rights act (I'm 56) and the country worked much better than it does now!

I don't blame you and I'm sorry.