To think my husband is wrong for reporting my sister for benefit fraud?

[Rockyhardplace25]

So back story:

My sister is a lot younger than me. There is a 15 year age gap- so I basically raised her as my mother was struggling with an alcohol addiction and wasn’t fit to until she went into rehab when my sister was 9. We have a very, strong close relationship.
Sister has also had her own issues with drugs- but when she found out she was pregnant with my niece 8 years ago, went to rehab and has sorted her life out. To some extent.
She has a much older partner, the gap is nearly 30 years, who she met in her addiction who has also, again to some extent, sorted his life out. In that aspect- I take my hat off to both of them.
This man was married with adult children and got my sister pregnant after a one night stand. He left his wife and moved in with my sister. His “other family” have completely cut him off apart from his eldest child- who, from what I can work out, uses him as a bank.

Me and DH have one child, DD who is now a 11, Children are expensive- there’s no two ways about it. With clothing, school trips, days out etc it does add up. DSIS has a 7 year old and is now pregnant with a second child who we are all very excited about.

DSIS doesn’t work and claims sickness benefits, her partner does. Up until recently we assumed she was reporting his income as part of her claim- but we have found out through a slip of the tounge she isn’t. She isn’t even declaring he lives with her, which he does full time. His bank account, car and other things that could link him back to DSIS house is registered to his son’s address. A son he gives £1500 a month too.

DSIS was brought a house when she turned 18 (we have same mum, different dads) so solely pays the mortgage and a lump of the bills herself topped up by her partner. If he/the kids need anything he will go out and buy it but doesn’t directly contribute to the monthly running of the home. Which has pissed me off if I’m honest.

DH is even more pissed off- feels she is taking the piss, as is he, she is committing fraud and why is it fair we both work our arses off to pay our monthly bills when she’s getting it handed to her on a plate but wouldn’t if she was honest. DH thinks if she does that then her partner will leave her because at the moment he’s pretty much living the life of Riley with no expenses.

Hes admitted to me over the weekend he’s reported her for benefit fraud. I don’t know how I feel- I keep flitting from one thing to the next- but ultimately she is my sister and I am worried she will get into serious shit.

Well in that case you're hardly in a position to be criticizing anyone else are you! Regardless of how much you've moved on or how "Perfect" you've now become. Those who are without Sin cast the first Stone and all that. Oh and I take it you were cunt back then, too!

So people don't choose to take illicit drugs/booze?
They're poor wee lambs who are held down and forced to take them?
They've not seen any information ever on how drugs might not be a good idea?

Hmm..

If all were above board, his earnings would mean she would get less, or nothing...

But UC would not take into account that he pays out 1500 a month to his kid, nor will it care if he contributes fairly to the household income or not. These are things that your sister has zero control over.

So if he IS.. then yes she's taking the piss, getting extra money she does not need and isn't entitled to.

If however he is not contributingly fairly, yet his wage would stop her having her own funds... and not getting benefits would then affect the kids..

I'd be less inclined to report that (id be more likely to encourage her to get shot of him!).

No they dont! It's an illness. It's no ones ambition to become a drug addict FFS. Don't be so ignorant.

It is possible he is her carer and goes to her house to care for her. If she’s on sickness benefits, he’d have to be at hers a minimum of 35hrs/week to claim carer’s allowance.

Carers don’t have to live with the person they care for. He could just seem to be there all the time because it’s a full time job to be a carer, and for less than NMW

Correct, educate yourself on the subject.

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Op, your DH went behind your back and in so doing has potentially damaged the relationship between you and your sister. I would be reticent to trust him again as he acts first and tells you second.

Me too. What an absolute cunt.

Yep, I was a cunt and deserved everything I got, as does anyone else in that situation. It took me a good few years to get back on my feet again but it was worth the pain at the time to get to where I am now.

Sorry OP I've been that wound up by some of the responses on here I've not addressed you yet. YANBU at all. I wouldn't/couldn't do that to anyone let alone a family member. He's put you in a very awkward situation by telling you, TBH.

Why should we all work and pay taxes for people like this pair of freeloaders to pick our pockets? That money is for old folk, hospitals, police, schools etc. Your DH was absolutely right to report her. Your marriage comes first, not your sister.

He is allegedly living with OP's DSis full-time, therefore he may be part of her household and if so, his income must be taken into account for the purposes of claiming and calculating benefits.

There fixed it for you. We can’t be presuming guilt because he is over at DSIS’ frequently. It could all fall under him being her carer and spending 35+ hrs a week at hers doing care for her since we know for a fact she is severely disabled enough such that she cannot work.

Yabu. It’s fraud, report away. Why should hard-working people have to contribute to this

Wtf? OP quite clearly said ‘He left his wife and moved in with my sister.’

It is benefit fraud!

It just goes to show anyone who is doing anything along these lines keep your mouth shut and don't say anything to anybody and I mean anybody.

DH not unreasonable to report, but reporting your sister in law is a big step away from reporting your sister. It's put you in a very difficult position. But benefit fraud is just theft from the rest of us who hope our taxes are going to the causes we (democratically, if not individually) vote for. No-one should have any sympathy with it at all.

Unless they’ve been spying on them 24/7 they don’t know this as a fact.
The OP also said he is registered at another address that his son also lives at.
The £1500/mo could be him paying his mortgage and bills on his house where his son lives. That amount of money sounds like primary residence level of bills imho.

No, it's not "alleged". OP posted: "DSIS doesn’t work and claims sickness benefits, her partner does. Up until recently we assumed she was reporting his income as part of her claim- but we have found out through a slip of the tounge she isn’t. She isn’t even declaring he lives with her, which he does full time. His bank account, car and other things that could link him back to DSIS house is registered to his son’s address. A son he gives £1500 a month too." I'm sure OP and her DH know the reality of her DSis' living situation, otherwise OP's DH wouldn't have reported it to the DWP and OP wouldn't have started this thread. 🙄

Wtf? She’s her sister, of course she knows he lives there 🙄

He is registered at his son’s address so OP’s sister can fraudulently claim single parent benefits.

You either came down with the last rain or support benefit fraud.

Prior to this thread, did you fondly imagine that the rest of tax payers want to be forking out for benefit fraudsters and their children? Because we don’t.

Sorry, it is all hearsay based on an assumption that he has moved in rather than being at hers as a carer & coparent.

Even separated couples living in the same house as single people can do separate UC claims these days.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6288577/claiming-uc-as-single-when-living-with-ex

It’s not hearsay when OP has heard it out of the fraudy horse’s mouth.

Yes, OP’s interpretation of their living arrangements is biased towards benefit fraud but there is not any hard proof.

Well, if they’re doing nothing wrong, there will be nothing to hide when they get checked.