To want Brexit be reversed

[BeKookySheep]

I don’t normally post about politics, but this has been playing on my mind for a while. I wasn’t super political before the referendum — just a mum trying to do her best for her family. But now, years later, I really feel like Brexit hasn’t delivered what we were promised. And I think we should seriously start talking about reversing it.

My eldest is 16, really bright, and had dreams of studying languages and maybe doing a year abroad. We looked into Erasmus a while ago, but that’s gone now. And the cost and hassle of studying or working in Europe is so much higher now. She asked me, “Why is it so much harder for us than it was for you, Mum?” And honestly, I didn’t know what to say. It hit me hard.

Everything’s more expensive — our food shop has gone up loads, and don’t even get me started on getting certain things for school packed lunches! Little things, but they add up. My brother runs a small business and he's drowning in paperwork just to send stuff to Ireland. And a friend of mine left the NHS because she felt so overstretched — they can’t recruit enough staff anymore, especially from Europe.

Brexit hasn’t made anything better. It’s just made life harder in so many small but important ways. And if something clearly isn’t working — and is limiting our children’s futures — why shouldn’t we talk about changing it?

We tell our kids it’s okay to admit when something’s not right and make it better. Maybe it’s time we took our own advice.

Would love to hear if others are feeling the same. Has Brexit made life harder for your family too?

Of course it's not a myth 🙄.we struggle with our own layer of politicians why have more layers miles away far harder to keep an eye on.
Bloated burocracy doesn't work.

I don’t think it matters how aware people are. If people wanted the same outcomes a politician could sell the concept in and they’d get closer to the same level of sovereignty.

I think people are quick to blame Brexit but imo the same shit would have happened regardless. We would still be in this position. Idk why people bang on about us being part of the EU being so great? The recent trade/tariff deal with the US is a positive

Please could you outline why you think this, and what benefits we are going to see. I asked a poster earlier in the thread (I don’t think it was you) but they ignored me. I have asked on Twitter before now and never had a sensible reply there either. I may begin to think that the question cannot be answered, except by those who benefit from deregulation and the desperation of certain constituencies.

It's just not realistic though given our very different geography.

But the same outcome if U.K. is no and France is yes. The same level of influence not lower for that voter in the U.K. as in pp

Why?

We know from Liz Truss that real sovereignty is a myth - we are in the court of world and world market opinion. We are a small island reliant on the outside world to supply us physically with food and other resources and, in order for those resources to get to us safely, we need very good relationships with our neighbours. It’s all very well saying we can now get better trade deals with the rest of the world, but, unlike Australia, our immediate neighbours happen to be European and any trade with the rest of the world has to get to us over their air spaces, across their land, or through their waters.

Lucky for us that it is much harder for EU countries to go to war with each other, given that we are surrounded by them. Unlucky for us that Brexit helped the continuing destabilisation of the EU and if it falls apart, wars will definitely multiply in Europe, as if the war in Ukraine is not bad enough. European countries won’t necessarily feel the need to support or align with each other with no EU to keep them on side, and Russia is very keen to further destabilise the EU. Unfortunately, the world generally is heading towards greater “sovereignty,” aka worsening relationships with other countries.

I don’t see the Truss comment being that relevant. She was in for a few weeks and didn’t ask for Aus-like sovereignty.

They do have good relations with nearly everyone though, bar those hardly anyone does, it can be done.

Because when it comes to trading, proximity matters.

Our closest neighbours are in the EU. That's not the case for Australia.

Our economies are totally different as well.

The EU can't even defend itself.

Most EU countries had "sly" mechanisms in place to prevent the complete freedom of movement that was offered up by the UK when the UK was in the EU.

The EU did not work together in a concerted manner re Covid, where there was a supplies grab. It has not worked together in a concerted manner regarding Ukraine.

The EU is a group of countries that are still, despite the posturing, really just out for themselves.

I am sorry it may be harder for you to retire in Spain though x

The Truss comment is relevant because she appeared to think “sovereignty” meant she could carry out ludicrous plans and nothing should be able to stop her. A lot of “the EU is holding us back” during the referendum campaign and in the negotiations afterwards was from people with extreme opinions who were blaming the EU for not being able to do things that the rest of the world would effectively stop them from doing, anyway, or be willing to go to war over (whether trade, cyber or physical). The Leave campaign would not have got a majority without the assistance of those with views on what Brexit should mean that were unrealistic in the real world.

Truss will happily hand over sovereignity to the US, as does Reform.

@Walkaround agree entirely. It wasn't about increasing sovereignty it was about increasing executive power and lowering scrutiny. Much like how Trump is running the US right now - riding roughshod over their processes.

I'm quite happy to give my opinion on what could happen, simply based on my interpretation of the world economy both now and at the time of the brexit vote.

The EU free movement and single currency gave an unfair advantage to Countries with far lower costs of living, as well as lower standard of living. Employers in the UK and other more developed Countries took advantage of that at a cost to their own Country economy. Long term that is not sustainable.

I believe going forward there will be a backlash like there has been here, in the more affluent Countries like Spain, Italy, France, Germany and the EU will either have to change it's control over member states or lose members. While all this is going on, I believe the UK with it's own currency will prosper.

It will only take another member like Greece to require a massive bailout and the net contributors will have to take stock at how their own lives are being affected.

You have said absolutely nothing here about what you actually think will happen.

Just like any other person, I cannot forecast the future. I have given my answer based on my interpretation of a fairly likely scenario.

It's not an answer though.

Go read the reply again. It gives an answer. It may not be one you want, it may even be proved in time to be incorrect. Just the same as those with pro EU views could be proved to be wrong.

Nobody knows the future, after all, who would have forecast a situation where the whole world was shut down for tow years due to a virus!

It says absolutely nothing about what you actually think will happen.

Backlash? What does that even mean?

A pandemic was expected.

The UK directed resources from pandemic planning to dealing with Brexit. We also lost a load of NHS workers due to Brexit in the few years leading up it.

Another example of why Brexit was shit for the UK.

@ARealitycheckis correct people didn’t expect large parts of the economy to be shut down even with planning.

I have said exactly what I believe will happen. You know exactly what it means when I say backlash.

@TooBigForMyBoots EU Countries went their own way with regards to Covid also, especially with hoovering up resources. So the claims being a member would have been a benefit during covid are false.

A pandemic was expected - yep that's true because I worked in this area. The government shut down the planning.

No, I have no idea what you mean by backlash.

It sounds like the kind of scaremongering language used by the Daily Mail when they want to convince readers that France is on the brink of civil war, to the point where I've had people texting me asking if everything is OK over here and I'm like, "Why wouldn't it be?"