To want Brexit be reversed

[BeKookySheep]

I don’t normally post about politics, but this has been playing on my mind for a while. I wasn’t super political before the referendum — just a mum trying to do her best for her family. But now, years later, I really feel like Brexit hasn’t delivered what we were promised. And I think we should seriously start talking about reversing it.

My eldest is 16, really bright, and had dreams of studying languages and maybe doing a year abroad. We looked into Erasmus a while ago, but that’s gone now. And the cost and hassle of studying or working in Europe is so much higher now. She asked me, “Why is it so much harder for us than it was for you, Mum?” And honestly, I didn’t know what to say. It hit me hard.

Everything’s more expensive — our food shop has gone up loads, and don’t even get me started on getting certain things for school packed lunches! Little things, but they add up. My brother runs a small business and he's drowning in paperwork just to send stuff to Ireland. And a friend of mine left the NHS because she felt so overstretched — they can’t recruit enough staff anymore, especially from Europe.

Brexit hasn’t made anything better. It’s just made life harder in so many small but important ways. And if something clearly isn’t working — and is limiting our children’s futures — why shouldn’t we talk about changing it?

We tell our kids it’s okay to admit when something’s not right and make it better. Maybe it’s time we took our own advice.

Would love to hear if others are feeling the same. Has Brexit made life harder for your family too?

There already are.
Look, it’s fine to disagree with it, but to continue the misinformation about it long after the vote is unhelpful (from both sides!)

Basically Brexit was all about immigration. People don't like the fact that it's doubled since, plus the boats.

The immigration thing confuses me. I get why people are annoyed about illegals etc but we have an ageing population. We need legal immigration.

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We would never get the favourable terms we had prior to Brexshit. Joining the euro would be pretty disastrous. While leaving was one of the most stupid decisions, we have to deal with it now.

How anyone could have believed Farage, when he had the lowest attendance for any MEP (apart from one who is disabled and physically couldn't get there), is unfathomable, and even more so that they continue to listen to him.

Whilst the EU was becoming a behemoth and possibly too self absorbed, the way to challenge is from the inside, and not to leave.

We have years of economic turmoil to come, only exacerbated by Ukraine, Trump, etc.

If we rejoined the EU where would that leave the SC ruling? Bearing in mind that may EU nations are completely captured by gender ideology. Would we be able to resist any potential challenge in the European courts - would it outrank our own court?

I agree. I didn’t vote to leave but having the Euro isn’t what I’d like.

Like what?

First you said that the benefits of Brexit are yet to come.

Now you're saying there already are benefits.

Name some.

Depends on your job. Tell that to someone working in a Midlands warehouse who's pay had been stagnant for the best part of a decade because there were more than enough people from Eastern Europe willing to do it.

Brexit was an arrogant vote by the unintelligent and is a damning indictment of the UK education system, IQ levels and critical thinking abilities.

I think that's a tad harsh but a lot don't seem to want to acknowledge that things are different and it's not all the fault of the boat people.

Not everything is because of brexit. As someone else has said, we've had covid, Ukraine war, trumps policies. Take a look at the wider work instead of just blaming brexit

No, this sort of thing has never been within the EU's jurisdiction.

And those people are rolling in it now, are they?

@Ablondiebutagoody You misunderstand, there are legitimate concerns around immigration but wages started to stagnate since the 70s & are impacting many sectors today. It's not just because of immigration though and it doesn't mean we don't need immigration.

Please name at least one benefit to Brexit that we already have. I’d also be interested if you could outline the benefits of Brexit that you believe will come down the line.

It was clear from the outset that Brexit would be damaging for the country but idiots voted for it anyway. No going back now and we all suffer for it.

Nope. Immigration has doubled since. Hence Reform. It seems from this thread that you really need to live in these places to understand the mindset

So Brexit didn't in fact fix the problem, did it?

In what way?

We never recovered from the 08 crash which has done far more damage to wages.

I would love to know what those forthcoming benefits are please?

And what favourable trade deals has the UK done since 2016 that are an improvement on what we had in place before?

Would your DC consider a Scottish uni? DC is at one with a lot of English students. Has been told by many it’s because it’s easier to study abroad in the 3rd year regardless of subject. Is often possible to start skip the first year of the degree course so doesn’t necessarily have to take longer.

List those benefits, shouldn't be difficult to do

The polling shows that people think the implementation of Brexit didn't cure the problem. Which is reasonable considering immigration doubled under Boris Johnson

Absolutely not having proper political autonomy is worth more than anything
Op look at the collective response to Russia!
They are too large and bloated to organise anything and corrupt

Where there is a will there is a way people managed to work and travel and do all sorts in Europe before they shimmied in closer ties.

We can't reverse Brexit. We had a great deal with the EU that we can't get back. We would probably be able to rejoin, but not on the terms we had. Everything that supporters of the EU said would happen has happened. It was a classic 'both feet, both barrels' moment for the UK. Brexit voters were taken in by Johnson's lies (he admitted that most of what he'd said about the EU as a journalist and as a politician was lies) and Farage's. Many had no idea how far-reaching and permanent the consequences would be. It was outrageous and undemocratic that we were taken out via a hard Brexit when the vote was so close.

It was like watching a train going off the rails, one that could easily have been stopped, but no one did it.

@Ablondiebutagoody so what do you think immigration numbers should look like?