To want Brexit be reversed

[BeKookySheep]

I don’t normally post about politics, but this has been playing on my mind for a while. I wasn’t super political before the referendum — just a mum trying to do her best for her family. But now, years later, I really feel like Brexit hasn’t delivered what we were promised. And I think we should seriously start talking about reversing it.

My eldest is 16, really bright, and had dreams of studying languages and maybe doing a year abroad. We looked into Erasmus a while ago, but that’s gone now. And the cost and hassle of studying or working in Europe is so much higher now. She asked me, “Why is it so much harder for us than it was for you, Mum?” And honestly, I didn’t know what to say. It hit me hard.

Everything’s more expensive — our food shop has gone up loads, and don’t even get me started on getting certain things for school packed lunches! Little things, but they add up. My brother runs a small business and he's drowning in paperwork just to send stuff to Ireland. And a friend of mine left the NHS because she felt so overstretched — they can’t recruit enough staff anymore, especially from Europe.

Brexit hasn’t made anything better. It’s just made life harder in so many small but important ways. And if something clearly isn’t working — and is limiting our children’s futures — why shouldn’t we talk about changing it?

We tell our kids it’s okay to admit when something’s not right and make it better. Maybe it’s time we took our own advice.

Would love to hear if others are feeling the same. Has Brexit made life harder for your family too?

I don’t think we should try to join the EU, but we absolutely should work towards close collaboration and improving trade links. The EU is lurching further to the right and the world, including the EU, is very unstable politically. I think it is a good thing for the UK to be independent, but readily accept the economic price for this is very high.

Yeah right - wishful thinking!

I can’t have this conversation again. If you are still banging on all these years later, maybe it is time to reflect on your own issues now. It’s not healthy or normal.

The U.K. government of any colour is never ever going to reverse a democratic decision. It just isn’t going to happen.

Maybe it’s time for some of you to think about therapy and a deeper dive into why this troubles you so much nearly a decade later.

Except, of course, you could say the same about the decades of campaigning to leave the EU that went on before the last referendum - there had been a democratic decision to join, after all. Brexiters are merely experiencing the sort of tiresome, incessant whingeing that Remainers experienced for decades before them.

Imho, the UK would not get a good deal on rejoining, certainly not compared to its status within the EU when it left. Trying to rejoin would just create yet more instability and money being wasted on trying to go backwards, and the harm to Europe has already been done in any event - the world is firmly set on a course of becoming more divisive, with countries uncertain who to trust and rely on any more. Brexit was more than enough confirmation of the weakness of Europe for Putin, who publicly declared how delighted he was with Brexit at the time. I think the UK is now better off accepting it is out of the EU, but with close, cordial and constructive co-operation, rather than indulging in the pathetic schoolboy behaviour the Government indulged in when negotiating the Brexit deal.

You may not want it to be true but the reality is Leave Voters were identified and targeted relentlessly, they were attacking voters who would fall for the superficial, feverishly hostile soundbites and unfortunately they won by a margin!

Please, access some therapy for your own sake.

You've hit the nail on the head, middle class belittling the working class as usual. Sorry Matilda can't study abroad but the majority of us have real world problems.

I really dislike this sneering viewpoint. The irony is many middle class kids will have parents who can pay for visas, or, who have EU passports... It is the working class kids who have been more affected. But it is preferable to mock according to your own bias. Brexit has limited the limited in terms of our youth. To deny it is disgraceful. To mock it makes you cheap.

So what you’re saying is you would like to override the principle of democracy because your son wants to study abroad - which he can do and as he is “really bright” he will be able to work this out. People study in other countries all the time.

Food prices have gone up across the world.

Oh dear, Remain voters were also targeted, because many of those were completely ignorant and were hoodwinked by the ever so impartial
MSM reporting. . I still laugh at the comments of the people sat at the next table in a cafe the day after the Brexit vote. Their main concern was being able to holiday in France, apparently after Brexit this was going to be near impossible. They did console themselves with the following comment “ Well we can still holiday in Brittany because that’s part of the UK”. I almost spat out my coffee.

Democracy includes the right to change your mind.

Unfortunately leave voters have denied the rest of us that right because we'll never be allowed back in now.

So defensive- I wonder why.

So tired and clichéd, good imagination though, I'll give you that!

I don’t think that’s the main barrier, it has been said we would be. The main problem I reckon is stuff like adopting the Euro.

You are literally making stuff up, it's common knowledge that the micro targeting happened with Brexit and US elections - Trump round 1, we were already in the EU so the those campaigning to Remain took it for granted that people knew the benefits. In hindsight, that was obviously a reckless position to take.

Nobody can say that we would be allowed back in.

It would be subject to a referendum in at least four countries for a start. It's not up to Brussels bureaucrats, it's up to ordinary voters in countries like France and Ireland.

Of course your kid can study languages and have a year abroad. Most UK universities do this.

You're assuming that the EU will stick to their rules - which they don't

I don't see any way it can legally be done though.

In order to change the decision making process for approving the accession of new member countries they'd have to change the treaty, which would require...a referendum in several countries.

Exactly that, you have stated it very well - plus we were warned about this at the time. There is no literal mechanism.

It takes the EU years to make decisions. Even if the UK wanted to go back in, the EU would not process the decision for at least 25 years.

Ukraine before 2030 is that doable as said by U vd L and pretty quick considering?

We would be a net contributor though, which they desperately need. There might not be an easy mechanism, but where there's a will there's a way...

I can't personally see us rejoining, but I hope we could renegotiate a better deal through the reset. Not sure I trust Starmer not to give away too much tho

It was an important consideration. Not to be a member of the club where such practices are abundant. Not to mention the whole mentality of it being a moral duty to 'cheat the state', be it a socialist state or a new adopted state - UK.

I have decided to be magnanimous and put you all out of your misery.

Despire being a brexiteer, I can see the torment this clearly causes some people. So it might be worth knowing that a ‘deal’ is under way. Soon to be officially announced.

Young people will be given the right to study and travel freely, that has been agreed and additionally there appears to be what is being called a soft landing zone for a mutual trade agreement that will be considerably softer than the one we currently have.

It’s not going to include freedom of movement.

I don’t know if that will be enough for some of you that are very extreme. Those that already know about this, will say it is x,y and z and complain anyway. What it appears to be is a compromise.

What do you mean, young people will be given the right to travel freely.

Until what age?