To want Brexit be reversed

[BeKookySheep]

I don’t normally post about politics, but this has been playing on my mind for a while. I wasn’t super political before the referendum — just a mum trying to do her best for her family. But now, years later, I really feel like Brexit hasn’t delivered what we were promised. And I think we should seriously start talking about reversing it.

My eldest is 16, really bright, and had dreams of studying languages and maybe doing a year abroad. We looked into Erasmus a while ago, but that’s gone now. And the cost and hassle of studying or working in Europe is so much higher now. She asked me, “Why is it so much harder for us than it was for you, Mum?” And honestly, I didn’t know what to say. It hit me hard.

Everything’s more expensive — our food shop has gone up loads, and don’t even get me started on getting certain things for school packed lunches! Little things, but they add up. My brother runs a small business and he's drowning in paperwork just to send stuff to Ireland. And a friend of mine left the NHS because she felt so overstretched — they can’t recruit enough staff anymore, especially from Europe.

Brexit hasn’t made anything better. It’s just made life harder in so many small but important ways. And if something clearly isn’t working — and is limiting our children’s futures — why shouldn’t we talk about changing it?

We tell our kids it’s okay to admit when something’s not right and make it better. Maybe it’s time we took our own advice.

Would love to hear if others are feeling the same. Has Brexit made life harder for your family too?

Actually, I'm being unfair. Most Leave voters have learnt, it's just the Beleavers left.🙈

If the EU was so great, why were so many people pissed off about being in it and willing to believe "lies"?

For the same reasons they are so pissed off now and willing to believe lies. Strangely, Brexit didn’t fix any of the things they were pissed off about.🤷‍♀️

If the EU was that good, so many people wouldn't be pissed off about being in it and Brexit would not have won the referendum.

If Brexit was that good, so many people wouldn’t be pissed off about being out of the EU. When life is shit, you need to accurately identify the cause, not just throw the shit about and then wonder why life is now just shittier and messier than ever.

But WHY did people think it was down to the EU? Why did the Remainers and the EU fail to persuade people that being in the EU was a good thing?

If you genuinely think that, then I suggest you watch this video. People were very cleverly manipulated even if they don't think they were. This is right from the horses mouth.

People were persuaded to believe that our membership of the EU was the source of their problems. That doesn't actually make it true that that EU was the source of their problems, it merely proves how very easy it is to manipulate people.

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves if it’s so easy to manipulate people, why didn’t the remaining campaign manipulate them into voting remain?

Absolutely this is why we are all broke now and those “immigrants” the brexiters moaned about STILL HERE! we just MORE broke which is NONBRIEXTER TOLD YALL!!!

Because the Conservative Party made a scapegoat of it since we joined. And the RW press pushed that narrative for decades.🙄 Then, because it was an "advisory" vote, not a binding one, the campaign didn't have to adhere to truthful, verifiable statements.

It was a shabbily run, monumental disaster that Putin, Farage and Johnson used to their own gain.

It's easier to manipulate feelings than it is to make people think and consider the facts.

Cameron's biggest mistake was believing the electorate would vote for what was best for them and the UK.🤷‍♀️

Not least because the Remain campaign was complacent and they never seriously believed that the electorate would be stupid enough to vote for something that would do the country so much damage. Tbh, if they had considered that to be a real possibility, i don't suppose we'd have ever had a referendum in the first place, but Cameron badly miscalculated.

I think he and others in the Remain campaign from all parties naively assumed that people would make rational decisions based on the evidence, and they failed to make a positive case in favour of Remain because it simply didn't occur to them that they needed to win people over at an emotional level. They also failed to do enough to challenge the lies put out by the Leave campaign because they assumed that people would see through them. They simply didn't do enough.

Because people are often attracted to things that are presented as simple solutions to complex problems, and they don't always have the ability or understanding to analyse whether those simple solutions will actually deliver the results that they want.

It's also much easier to make an argument for a change to the status quo, because people know what the current situation looks like but you can say anything you like about the alternative.

Good attempt at making out people who voted LEAVE are just less intelligent and ignorant, and didn't know what they were voting for la la la. Wrong though. People didn't vote to leave the EU because they're stupid, and believed everything they were told, they left because they wanted to leave.

They wanted to leave the big boys club that has done ZERO for them in several decades, the club that used to have less than 10 members, who all contributed something and pulled together so we could trade easier. That same club has nearly 30 members now - most of who are supported financially by the top 7 or 8 who keep them afloat. Some countries want to join the EU, not because they like it, or really want to, they NEED to, as they need financial support.

Millions of Brits had not seen any positives to being in the EU for several decades, and were tired of the bossy and controlling boys club that they were never really a part of, but supported via their taxes. (The big boys club that controlled much of what the UK did.) Forking out £350 million a WEEK for something that only benefits top businessmen, and big companies, is utterly bonkers.

We had people on the bones of their arse through recession after recession with wages staying stagnant for around a decade, (at the time to the referendum,) many jobs offering no more hours than 8-10 a week, no job security, zero hours contracts, very little for the young to look forward to, gigantic student fees for uni, and skyrocketing house prices, and people with nowhere with a secure tenancy to call their home, and we were dishing out £1.2 BILLION a month to the EU.

Very little has changed since we left, (as I said, the cost of living crisis/recession is a WORLDWIDE issue caused by the covid pandemic, and is nothing to do with Brexit!) and trading with Europe is not much different. Also, there is no difference when you travel, except you now need at least 3 months on your passport. Big deal, anyone with any sense would make sure they had that anyway. Oh and we are saving £350 MILLION a week.

I just thank GOD we left the EU just before covid, because we needed that money then, and we had control of how we got the vaccines. Way more people would have died if the EU had been controlling us, because we would not have been able to order all the 100s of 1000s of vaccines that we did to get them to the British public. The EU would have been in control.

The way the EU behaved after we LEFT was utterly appalling. Threw their toys out of the pram and stamped their feet. And the way the Remainers behaved was not much better, doing everything they could to derail Brexit, and reverse the decision. The DEMOCRATIC decision. Because apparently everyone who voted Leave is thick as too short planks, and bigoted, and badly educated according to them.

The EU weren't angry because they cared about us though, they cared about the money we were withdrawing. They acted like a spurned and angry ex who was being dumped. I was embarrassed for them. Why anyone would want to be a part of this just eludes me.

And a previous poster is right that the LEAVE camppaign did not offer to give the NHS £350 million a week to the NHS. It said 'let's keep the £350 million a week in the UK. let's fund our NHS.' It's just the REMAIN side who peddle this myth.

It's time the Remainers stopped this ridiculous game of laughing at and calling people who voted to leave the EU 'thick' bigoted' and badly educated. Frankly, if you really genuinely think this, I'm embarrassed for you. 😬

The NHS has had a real funding lift of over that though? @Clavinovaput up the figure below.

The tricky part is the NHS can always do with more, so even with that increase they’ll be asks for it.

Oh right. You think people voted Brexit, which was a stupid thing to do, because Remainers told them it was a stupid thing to do before they voted for it.🤔

But that's precisely my point: Remainers didn't just put the case across for why Brexit was a stupid thing to do. They insulted, ridiculed and sneered at anyone who disagreed.
Any sense they may have made during their campaign was completely lost in this disgusting behaviour. And is ultimately what gave votes to Brexit.

"I never thought the leopards would eat my face"

Bravo x 10. The EU was the EU worth staying in when it had equally developed members in in - i.e. Western Europe. As soon as it started admitting all sorts of poor relatives - the Baltics, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary - it was time to run away. I have a Bulgarian friend, who told me how they literally shat in buckets and then buried the shit in the ground in agricultural areas before the EU - and how they were looking forward for proper sewage pipework to be installed there. They received close to a billion from the EU for it - some areas in Bulgaria installed those facilities, in some areas the authorities stole the money and they still shit in buckets. This is not the club to be in. Also, the EU accounts have been rejected by the auditors for how many years now? The corrupt club is not the club to be in.

How could remainers put forward their arguments? Like 'you, Paul, a plumber, should put up with cash-in-hand uninsured competition from a Polish plumber, because my Sebastian would like to use Erasmus for one year for free? Or, I run a business and need Polish workers who would undercut you, Dave. How could they have put their arguments forward?

But if the EU was so good and so beneficial to the UK, the remain campaign could have listed them.

Yet the didn't, The Brexit campaign was bad/awful but the remain campaign was awful/none existent.

Precisely. My guess is that's why they had to resort to insults! 🤷‍♀️

Why would Remain Voters have to convince Brexit Voters of anything, that was the job of the politicians.

Equally, it is very naive to think that Brexit voters were not vulnerable to micro targeting and that is what swung the vote - unfortunately!

So did you base your decision on your friend shitting in a bucket?

Every Brexit supporter I have ever known has been uncomfortable with the European direction of travel for twenty years plus, it has nothing at all to do with micro targeting and everything to do with the amount of control and power that has been handed over to Brussels over the years!

You really seem quite unable to grasp the root causes of our departure, and after ten years of explaining - to no avail - most of us have given up!