To want Brexit be reversed

[BeKookySheep]

I don’t normally post about politics, but this has been playing on my mind for a while. I wasn’t super political before the referendum — just a mum trying to do her best for her family. But now, years later, I really feel like Brexit hasn’t delivered what we were promised. And I think we should seriously start talking about reversing it.

My eldest is 16, really bright, and had dreams of studying languages and maybe doing a year abroad. We looked into Erasmus a while ago, but that’s gone now. And the cost and hassle of studying or working in Europe is so much higher now. She asked me, “Why is it so much harder for us than it was for you, Mum?” And honestly, I didn’t know what to say. It hit me hard.

Everything’s more expensive — our food shop has gone up loads, and don’t even get me started on getting certain things for school packed lunches! Little things, but they add up. My brother runs a small business and he's drowning in paperwork just to send stuff to Ireland. And a friend of mine left the NHS because she felt so overstretched — they can’t recruit enough staff anymore, especially from Europe.

Brexit hasn’t made anything better. It’s just made life harder in so many small but important ways. And if something clearly isn’t working — and is limiting our children’s futures — why shouldn’t we talk about changing it?

We tell our kids it’s okay to admit when something’s not right and make it better. Maybe it’s time we took our own advice.

Would love to hear if others are feeling the same. Has Brexit made life harder for your family too?

Repeating this lie does not make it true.

I don’t think negotiations can happen without mandate.

If it was known that the plan was to rejoin, and I don’t see why that wouldn’t be known, people would rightly ask hang on who’s given you mandate for this?

You clearly didn't pay any attention to what happened to NI because of Brexit. We are only beginning to recover now.

Oh do you mean like Nigel Farage kind of people?

All of which have NOTHING to do with Brexit.

Nice try though.

That was the EU that caused the issues for N.I. Not Brexit. HTH.

How exactly did the EU cause issues for Northern Ireland?

Yes it is comparatively poor.

it’s really very clear that Brexit has been bad for the economy so far. Other things have happened to affect the world economy but the UK was in a worse position because it basically had created barriers to trade. I think it’s fairly undeniable - no genuine economists say otherwise. . But there are experts who argue it could ultimately work out better in the longer term.

I think that both the EU and the UK caused problems for Northern Ireland. From an Irish perspective I’m not sure either side really cared about the people of Northern Ireland that much. The UK made a deal and then broke it, and showed their complete ignorance and apathy towards N.I. and the EU was focused on ensuring it gave the UK government a hard time.

I think when it came down to it was mostly Ireland who actually cared about the people of Northern Ireland and protecting peace there. Obviously because the cost for us would be much greater if NI went down the plug hole.

Yep, you paid no attention at all to the shit it caused here. It wasn't the EU that was the problem. It was purely UK made by the Conservatives and the DUP. But sure you don't seem overly bothered by facts.

HTH

But it is true, if people were happy with the way things were, with us being in the EU, Brexit wouldn't have won the vote.

People were persuaded to believe that our membership of the EU was the source of their problems. That doesn't actually make it true that that EU was the source of their problems, it merely proves how very easy it is to manipulate people.

People weren't happy. That wasn't the EU's fault. That was our government's fault. Austerity was a stupid idea that set off a chain reaction.

We're out of the EU now and have been for five years. Do you think people are happier now than they were in 2015?

Of course immigration is not the only policy. No one is a bigger supporter of doubling and tripling council tax for second homes than me. I think second homes are selfish and hollow out communities and any legislation that reduces them is good with me.

That said there seems to be about 800,000 second homes on the UK. There are also around 700,000 derelict homes.

The scale of the numbers it is clear that we could give over all the second homes/derelict properties to new arrivals and in a few short years have none. What will the plan be then?

We need to get second homes back into use to relieve pressure on housing so that people/families already here can afford somewhere to live.

Are you saying that they are in fear of their lives so they clear off and leave their female family members and children. Let's face it the women and children are safe at home and will be sent for later when the paperwork is in place.

Where my relatives live, there has been a huge influx of poor East Europeans who, after a year or two or three doing minimum wages job (or, like the residents of Victoria Road, Glasgow, never having worked) now live in council housing on benefits. All legal - they were entitled to it because we were in the EU.

Even if Brexit did not work out the way people hoped, just the very fact that the remainder of Eastern Europe and their uncle won't be able to do the same - move here and demand to sponge off the state without having contributed is a massive win. Some of those East Europeans in minim wage jobs, living in social housing, having their 3 children in state schools, enjoying tax credits and free NHS, have the gall to say 'Oh, but I am paying taxes'. Truly a slap in the face of every Brit net contributor.

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Bravo

What do you mean, persuaded? Do they not have eyes? Working class people who are working in trades did not see their wages drop, did not have their children's classes overfilled with non-native speakers from Eastern Europe? Did not see council houses filled with them? And child benefit payable to children in Eastern Europe who never set foot in the UK? Did not see health tourism from the new EU countries (I can't say obviously the same for non-former socialist block countries). Persuaded, my proverbial arse. People have eyes and brains.

By persuaded, I meant that they were misled.

But perhaps I am mistaken and they were right all along. How wonderful to know that all of their problems are now resolved as a result of leaving the EU. Thank you for clarifying that we are all living in the sunlit uplands now.

There's a reason Brexit got more votes. This was one of them.

Clearly you don’t try to understand the context of comments 🤣. I was laughing at the suggestion immediately before mine that we see how the UK is currently doing compared to France and Germany, whilst excluding any perceived consequences of the actions of the party currently in power. On that basis, I therefore jokingly suggested excluding everything else that has happened since Brexit to work out “how we are doing.” I mean, really - what on earth is the point in pretending we know how we’d be doing if we hadn’t had execrably bad leadership for the last decade or so? And in any event, a big part of the point of Brexit was to enable us to blame our own leaders for their astonishing mismanagement, rather than having a convenient EU bogeyman to blame, wasn’t it? So why exclude that mismanagement from any calculation of the effects of Brexit, when it is one of the main reasons for having Brexited (that we can now mismanage ourselves)?

So, you would assume that if you were an immigration officer, then? Or only from the safety of your keyboard, without having had to meet the people you are talking about?

And empty investment properties owned by overseas shell companies in vastly expensive cities like London? There’s a lot of murky international ownership of exceptionally valuable real estate and it all ensures the housing market remains unaffordable for people who need homes rather than wanting investments. It may be a feature of capitalism, but demonising those needing shelter so as to enable profitable investment by the wealthy to continue does highlight one of the flaws in the system.

Yep. Repeat the lie was the No1 scummy tactic used by the Leave Campaign.

You'd think, given the evidence, that Brexiteers would have learnt that by now. But, No.🙄