To want Brexit be reversed

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I don’t normally post about politics, but this has been playing on my mind for a while. I wasn’t super political before the referendum — just a mum trying to do her best for her family. But now, years later, I really feel like Brexit hasn’t delivered what we were promised. And I think we should seriously start talking about reversing it.

My eldest is 16, really bright, and had dreams of studying languages and maybe doing a year abroad. We looked into Erasmus a while ago, but that’s gone now. And the cost and hassle of studying or working in Europe is so much higher now. She asked me, “Why is it so much harder for us than it was for you, Mum?” And honestly, I didn’t know what to say. It hit me hard.

Everything’s more expensive — our food shop has gone up loads, and don’t even get me started on getting certain things for school packed lunches! Little things, but they add up. My brother runs a small business and he's drowning in paperwork just to send stuff to Ireland. And a friend of mine left the NHS because she felt so overstretched — they can’t recruit enough staff anymore, especially from Europe.

Brexit hasn’t made anything better. It’s just made life harder in so many small but important ways. And if something clearly isn’t working — and is limiting our children’s futures — why shouldn’t we talk about changing it?

We tell our kids it’s okay to admit when something’s not right and make it better. Maybe it’s time we took our own advice.

Would love to hear if others are feeling the same. Has Brexit made life harder for your family too?

@DoYouReally I've never been in a rational discussion about it and people often talk at you when one starts like oh look inflation is up thank you to those brexit voting moron gammon s karons they are idiots aren't they

I can't understand this sentence. Maybe it's several sentences?

Who are you quoting here? I seem to have missed this post.

Wow! What an arrogant post! So the majority of this country are "unintelligent " aka stupid. I assume you are one of the few clever ones in the uk then! The one with a high IQ and brilliant critical thinking skills

Shouldn't be allowed to vote? Sounds like a dictatorship. Shocking level of entitlement on this thread. 3 things guaranteed to rattle the echo chamber: dogs, Brexit and Reform.

@Dangermoo I’ve read posts similar to blueleavesgreensky a few times on mn saying that stupid people (eg anyone they disagree with) shouldn’t be allowed to vote and few posters object. Maybe some people genuinely want a dictatorship - provided it’s left wing, of course.

Well, he could continue to vote LibDem, given his apparent political conviction up until now. Or Green. Or Independent. Or not vote at all. What I don't understand is how, ideologically, he could move from supporting LibDem to Reform? It's simply non-sensical.

Why would they doubt the opinion of experts in their fields? I would say that they willfully chose to ignore the information that didn't fit with their narrative.

I think it was Michael Gove who famously announced that the nation had had enough of experts.

And now we are all reaping the consequences.

I completely agree that calling people stupid is unkind, unhelpful and unnecessary not to mention counterproductive as you point out. However, I really do struggle with the mindset of voting against your own interests because that is somehow a win against someone you don't know on the Internet that called you stupid.

I do think we need to be finding ways to connect though. It scares me how the battle lines have been drawn and people are one side or the other. People on both sides need to be willing to find more common ground.

Well apparently now, Reform voters shouldn't be celebrating VE day. 🙄 I think that latest nougat shows just how out of touch some of these posters are.

Cameron could have planned it properly and taken advice from a Royal Commission before the vote was held.

Or he could have decreed that there had to be a majority vote in each of Wales, Scotland, England and Northern Ireland, for Brexit to go ahead, which is the threshold for most constitutional changes.

Or that it required more than a simple majority eg two thirds.

He was sadly inept.

Entirely with you on this, OP. My daughter, who was too young to vote at the time of the referendum, currently lives and works in an EU country having jumped through endless hoops to acquire the right to be self-employed there - but is now facing the prospect of having to leave because of red tape that simply did not exist pre-Brexit. It maddens me that her future is jeopardised simply because of the small-minded, xenophobic attitude of people who will never be affected by their decision (and quite a few who are affected and are now moaning about it, such as expats with properties in mainland Europe who didn't stop to think about what they were actually voting for... 😡)

I sometimes wonder if Farage was so keen on Brexit because he knew it would fuck the UK over, create even more misery and he could then present himself as the saviour of our ruined country. He will be very aware that his brand of politics only flourishes when people feel ignored and hopeless.

Putin and Trump were the two world leaders who openly supported Brexit. That tells you everything you need to know. Divide and rule. We did a fantastic job of weakening ourselves and the entire continent we are part of. No wonder Putin thought he was safe invading Ukraine. And now the country is doubling down on the stupidity by voting in UKIP and pretending to believe the crap they spout.

They will be the same people who voted Brexit.

Poorly educated, lower socio economic classes, no real understanding of politics. A lot of rascists amongst them too.

Will believe stupid shit written on the side if a bus, I had one such thicky recently tell me Donald Trump is incorruptible. They believe russian driven Facebook propaganda without question.

I genuinely think people should have to pass an intelligence test before being allowed to vote. Brexit has genuinely shaken my faith in democracy. When a country's future can be so damaged by a group of people who are told all their problems are caused by foreigners, just believe it but are still allowed a say?

Look at America now, they're the laughing stock of the world.

Poundland Trump and his bunch of numpties, lord save us.

Do you really think a ponzi scheme is a good or sustainable economic model?

I voted Remain, but the real problem is that although Nigel Farage wanted Out, and the vote in the country wanted 'Out', the Government wanted to Remain.
Nigel Farage was not an MP, and not in the Gov so, he did not have a say in any negotiations.
If you remember, the then PM, Cameron immediately resigned and a new PM (Theresa May) installed. I am not sure if this counts as a new Government, but the majority of MPs wanted to Remain.
So, the Gov under May and the MPs did as much as possible to avoid any possibility of Brexit.
So, when the PM was changed again, Boris Johnson, he had a Gov that cooperated with Out, but the MPs did as much as possible to frustrate that until the next election in Dec 2019, when the conservatives were returned with a larger majority.
It might have been possible to input some of the Brexit ideas (?), but then we had the pandemic and lockdown, and everything seemed to shut down.
So, there was never a serious negotiation over Brexit, and we probably have some of the worse aspects, but not the better things.

You really think it's as simple as being called stupid and racist don't you? Oh no, that just exacerbates the feeling amongst legitimate voters, who voted differently to you. It's actually a fuck you when racism and other lazy labels are thrown out and yet it's once again you who is on the losing side. Reform and leave voters are othered yet try doing that to any other group. Quite frankly, the lack of education I'm seeing is coming from the left. Labour and Tories are running scared of Reform. Now who are the stupid ones when people keep voting for the same thing? Good job the Tory voters had sense to stick it to both Tory and Labour and force a change.

They will want to. The US looks to be becoming a threat to the UK and the EU and ultimately we will be stronger together.

It’s a whole new world order that is coming in. Keir also has been building much better relations with EU governments.

Sure Ireland was only delighted to shake the hand of friendship again once it was offered. Ultimately it’s in our best interest to have good relations with the UK for economic reasons, for Northern Irish reasons.

I remember Jacob Rees-Moggs saying "in 50 years time we will see the benefits of Brexit." An absolute con. In years to come we will probably be partially back in the EU for the sake of the economy.

I am just watching the VE day celebrations....imagine Farage sitting with the King.

OP the younger generation are bearing the brunt, not only fewer opportunities abroad but many not in education or employment.

First degree in Criminology, postgraduate conversion to law, followed by an MA in Law. Distinction in TEFL. Those are mine. What are your academic credentials?

You would be unreasonable not to want Brexit reversed.

I’m a member of Mensa, with a masters equivalent qualification. And I speak a European language. So I’m probably more qualified and have a higher IQ than you.

I voted Brexit. Do I now get to call you stupid and inferior for voting remain?

Also there’s not been any significant consequences so far I didn’t foresee (but some surprise upsides, like the COVID vaccine rollout). In my view, the disappointment has been in the implementation and not the leaving itself.

I would like brexit revered for many reasons, including for my kids.

But, annoyingly my relative who voted for brexit is now trying to get an Irish passport to live in Europe.

Brext brought higher immigration and we don't like that so we're going to vote for the people that brought us Brexit? How does that logic work?

Agree, a lot of things have impacted the world since Brexit