To want Brexit be reversed

[BeKookySheep]

I don’t normally post about politics, but this has been playing on my mind for a while. I wasn’t super political before the referendum — just a mum trying to do her best for her family. But now, years later, I really feel like Brexit hasn’t delivered what we were promised. And I think we should seriously start talking about reversing it.

My eldest is 16, really bright, and had dreams of studying languages and maybe doing a year abroad. We looked into Erasmus a while ago, but that’s gone now. And the cost and hassle of studying or working in Europe is so much higher now. She asked me, “Why is it so much harder for us than it was for you, Mum?” And honestly, I didn’t know what to say. It hit me hard.

Everything’s more expensive — our food shop has gone up loads, and don’t even get me started on getting certain things for school packed lunches! Little things, but they add up. My brother runs a small business and he's drowning in paperwork just to send stuff to Ireland. And a friend of mine left the NHS because she felt so overstretched — they can’t recruit enough staff anymore, especially from Europe.

Brexit hasn’t made anything better. It’s just made life harder in so many small but important ways. And if something clearly isn’t working — and is limiting our children’s futures — why shouldn’t we talk about changing it?

We tell our kids it’s okay to admit when something’s not right and make it better. Maybe it’s time we took our own advice.

Would love to hear if others are feeling the same. Has Brexit made life harder for your family too?

I disagree with the view that it was all working class people voting for Brexit btw. And an insult to the working class if you ask me.

I happen to know plenty of upper middles - mostly the raspberry coloured cord wearing variety - who were enthusiastic supporters of leaving the EU.

Many of them received a first class education at a top private or public school, followed by Oxbridge, so what was their excuse?

I don't think Brexit needs to be reversed in any overt way. Over time, small tweaks can be gradually made eg the proposed EU-UK agreement on structured travel to European countries to loosen up the current tight restrictions. B-Return by stealth,

Brexit was ill-informed based on biased information fed to the masses, many of whom questioned the facts and came to their own conclusion about what they believed and what sounded like polical rhetoric, I heard on the radio today that 2/3 wouldn't vote for brexit today because of all the harm they've seen it has caused, so a stealth return wouldn't be a bad thing.

This isn't true. The EU pumped loads of money into deprived areas. Remember Boris Johnson's Levelling Up pledge? That was to mitigate the damage due the withdrawal of EU funds.

The Politics of Envy was one of the divisive, scummy tactics used by the Leave Campaign to manipulate voters. It was another of their lies.

I think you mean English and Welsh education systems. You might want to check out how the vote went in N.Ireland and Scotland.

Then of course London - the city that maned to vote in Boris as mayor not once, but twice.

The establishment (bit of a sweeping generalisation I know) that though a simple, rather than super, majority referendum was a good idea.

You've missed my point entirely. How can he "hate" Labour and Con but even be considering the repugnant, self-serving Farage? No sensible person chooses to jump out of the frying pan into the fire.

@plateofdoom so you want to change the whole economic model? the vast majority of people don't pay enough for their state pension, education, healthcare. It's not unusual.

I know quite a few Corbyn supporting Lexiters as well. No vote of 17 million plus people was going to consist of a single group, any more than the Remainers did.

The eu is corrupt and billions of pounds goes missing.
I can't understand the logic of, our politicians are solely awful and corrupt let's get another layer of even more in accountable removed politicians to take our money??

Agreed, it makes no sense.

I totally understand the concept of being politically homeless as I have felt like that for years. But the idea that being politically homeless might force you to vote for a far right party led by a twat like Farage?

No, this doesn't add up.

The benefits of Brexit aren't going to be seen for at least a generation. Tbh, I doubt that there will be any at all because we are so much weaker as a country outside of Europe. Canada are already making alliances with the EU.

The US appear to be supporting a might is right agenda. We are a tiny country that hasn't been investing in it's military. We are so hung up on this nonsense immigration crap that we can't be an effective power. No one wants to pay for anything and still expect 5 star social services. But of course, they also don't want the cheaper workers that immigrants bring. We're doomed because we're stupid.

Farage will probably come in and then probably anyone with any level of "not white" in them may as well leave. This will cause more issues with staffing in all the care sectors and the NHS and probably a bit of a brain drain.

We're doomed and our base hatred and selfishness is why.

I don’t understand why people seem to think inflation is a UK problem linked to Brexit. I can only assume those people play zero attention to what is going on in the rest of the world.

@Keepingthingsinteresting

kindly explain

Were you on a different forum as there was no kindly explain on here
It was all thick, stupid racists.

It still hasn't changed much, as you complain that they haven't learnt anything.

People should look in the mirror before they call others names.

Lab and Con have both had significant power during our lifetimes. Neither are any good and he won’t vote for them because of it. So it needs to be someone else.

@TankFlyBossW4lk I mean I want low taxes, working public services, high wages and low costs as much as the next person but I am also realistic

You won't get certain posters to admit that anything is other than Brexit.

Although they may occasionally blame covid.

Because they doubted them to be true. Not because they judged them ‘worth it’.

And btw, everyone saying that EU countries are having problems too; yes they are, the CofL crisis is widespread.

However, the main differences I notice when I visit friends in France, Germany and Spain, is that the state services are generally functioning reasonably well and that provides a buffer to people who are are finding the hikes in food and fuel costs most difficult to bear.

To give just a few examples among many; public transport functions and is state subsidised, so it doesn’t cost an arm and a leg to travel from one major city to the other. The rubbish collection services are more frequent. Essential services like social care are delivered at a reasonably high standard. Libraries and public spaces are well maintained.

Of course inflation isn't just a result of Brexit!

Shouldn't be allowed to vote? Sounds like a dictatorship. Shocking level of entitlement on this thread. 3 things guaranteed to rattle the echo chamber: dogs, Brexit and Reform.

It’s probably because although Brexit didn’t cause the cost of living crisis, it made it worse. And the key thing is that the UK looks to be on a path of economic decline. Lots of things will happen in the world that the government has little control over but Brexit means that the impacts of those things will be worse for Britain basically.

That’s not my opinion. It’s the opinion of economists.

play stupid games. Win stupid prizes. This is why democracy is flawed. Some people are too stupid to be allowed to vote.

@blueleavesgreensky How would you decide who should be allowed to vote?

Very fair point, actually feel very sorry for the people of NI and Scotland who understood what was and would happen.

The part that confuses me, is the 70% plus turnout but I've never met anyone who says thry voted yes and has any logical reason why. Even in here very few people advise thry cited leave, yet the results say otherwise.

Yes health services are run differently in France, Grimsby and Spain but we are not allowed to tweak our model so it will keep failing.

So depressing but true.

I voted remain and while I knew Brexit was going to be bad I have been shocked at the damage that has been done to this country and to our young people's futures. It was crazy and reckless of Cameron to hold the referendum and he did it simply to try and shore up his authority with disastrous consequences for generations who could not even vote. The average voter and that includes me had no understanding of the complexities of international trade and yet this was our main benefit of being in the EU. Madness,and I try not to think about it as it is done and dusted, it would be good to hope that we could rebuild some sort of positive relationship with the rest of Europe but why would they want to?