Crime statistics by country of origin

[Zebedee999]

The government is proposing to publish crime statistics by country of origin.

A few weeks ago I mentioned some statistics from other European countries (and in fact the UK) showing that sex crimes against women by men of certain countries are 40 times those of the indigenous British. I got called racist (the stats are by country not race) and of course the stats were removed as racist.

Personally I think women's safety should be the overriding priority and such statistics should be used as part of a process to determine who can move to the UK. Why allow in men who statistically will carry out 40 times the sex crimes of the indigenous population? Let in women by all means.

I am genuinely interested why my view is racist when to me it is simply prioritising women's safety. AIBU to want immigration processes to prioritise women's safety?

Olive, you are PERSISTENTLY making the "all mammals are dogs" error despite various PPs trying to explain every time.

All dogs are mammals.
This does not mean all mammals are dogs.

If you can't grasp that, you're in no position to discuss the idea that Albanians, for instance, may prove to be disproportionately responsible for gang crime in the UK.

There are probably more British-born gangsters here than Albanian ones.
If 4 Brits in a million are big-time criminals, that's around 240 of them.
There may only be 40 Albanian super-criminals in the UK.
But that could be 4 Albanians per thousand.

Do you see why this matters?

I don't understand why it matters. Could you explain please?

I don't see why I should repeat what others have tried so patiently to explain.

You can't explain. No problem.

You can't do arithmetic.

Fine, not everyone can. So stop trying to argue the meanings of statistics.

Why are you telling me I can't do maths? It's no problem at all, lots of people wax lyrical without knowing the facts.

DH has been a police officer for 18 years and he said they arrest more foreign nationals than Brits. We are in the midlands and they are called weekly to the M1 to collect stowaways in lorries. That’s weekly! Always young men.

Have you ever traveled to India, or Egypt? And tried to walk around public places, or on transit, as a lone woman?

Because a lot of Albanians coming to the UK do so in order to participate in organized crime. If you are a person whose job it is to scrutinize people coming into the UK, or who works to combat organized crime, that's an important type of information. This information, and other information about crime statistics and ethnicity, are really important in link analysis of organized crime networks.

I would have thought that checking people's background for criminal records and gang associations would be rudimentary stuff before giving out a visa.

all person's who commit a crime should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
people who are in the country on a visa and not yet a full citizen should be deported, including deportation if the country of origin has the death penalty for a similar crime.

What bothers me is the “be kind” stuff women are expected to tolerate. We had to let transwomen breach all sorts of boundaries because you don’t want to be a bigot despite full well knowing that all males pose more of a risk to women than other women. That is a fact. If a group of men from a particular place pose more of a risk than other men we should be able to name that as well. For the last ten years it’s been worse to be seen as transphobic than it is to care about safeguarding around women and children, now it’s worse to be seen as racist than to care about safeguarding around women and children.

It’s not about race it’s about culture. I don’t think asking women to ignore this or say “oh well it’s not all men from x country” is very helpful. Ofcouse it is not all men, everyone knows that, it doesn’t really need to be said. But if we are to have a migration system that works just as much for British people and residents of the UK as it does for people who choose to migrate then it needs to be done with eyes wide open and a proper risk assessment. The scale of offending in the Uk and the poor conviction rates suggest that we are already struggling to handle violence against women. If a country produces men who are an increased risk then the onus is on that country to fix it, not the UK to turn a blind eye. One sexual assault is a sexual assault too many. Just because there are white british men who are violent perverts doesn’t mean we should ignore violent perverts from other places. Why add to the bloody problem.

I think the recent behaviour of our politicians (I include the conservatives in that, they were in power for ages and didn’t fuck all) and their willingness to turn a blind eye to things like grooming gangs suggest there are people out there who put violence against females at the bottom of their concerns. Women have to advocate for themselves here.

I also think violence against the women in some communities is just ignored. If you are a sex offender you are likely doing it to women in your own community too. I remember reading an anonymous interview with some wives of grooming gangs members, they were raped and experienced violence from their husbands too but couldn’t say so publicly, it was fucking awful.

I’d love a female only asylum and migration policy tbh. Maybe it’s my age but dear god do I increasingly dislike men of all cultures and colours.

There was an afghan sex pest who couldn’t be deported because the Taliban would be mean to him. I failed to see how that was the Uk’s problem. We have enough homegrown criminals. If you commit a crime you should be out regardless. I’ve lived abroad and in the UK and managed to never ever commit a crime. It is not hard.

Letching through school railings? I’d die of shame that I had raised such a specimen.

If he was doing it in some other country? I’d tell him to expect to be deported.

I know there is a level of complexity that someone can life their whole life in a country they aren’t a citizen of (my own children are in this category) and I would expect a level of appreciation for that, but people who immigrate as adults should not to be able to stay.

Would you question an Australian aboriginal person in a similarly sceptical and dismissive way?

Why are you so passionate about ethnic purity?

Absolutely. The same posters who are outraged at the faux naivety and fact denial of TWAW supporters, yet won’t even contemplate the facts here because it’s too uncomfortable for them and we should ‘be kind’

Couldn’t make it up

Why is anyone? A lot of people seem attached to their heritage, whether on the left/right and wherever in the world.

I'm asking you. Why are you so passionate about being ethnically pure?

I’m not, because I’m not. But what’s the difference between somebody saying they’re proud of their Indigenous Australian heritage, and their British heritage?

What if he did it in this country? You say these foreign men should be deported, shouldn't that mean your adult son should be locked away for good? For looking through railings. Why would it just be about your shame if it was him but about breaking up a family and banishing someone from the country when it was your little darling?

Indigenous Australians are actually indigenous. Most white people in Britain haven't been here for very long relatively. Most were immigrants.

Being deported isn’t the same as a life sentence. It means you’ve forfeited your right to live here, which was granted by the British authorities. Whereas as a British citizen PP’s son cannot be deported. The deportation isn’t a ‘sentence’, it’s an administrative withdrawal of a permission.

Wrong.

Many people identify as indigenous when they only have some indigenous heritage. This is the case with many prominent politicians like Lydia Thorpe

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LidiaThorpe

Heritage is very different to ethnicity and you're using an example of an oppressed minority.