Crime statistics by country of origin

[Zebedee999]

The government is proposing to publish crime statistics by country of origin.

A few weeks ago I mentioned some statistics from other European countries (and in fact the UK) showing that sex crimes against women by men of certain countries are 40 times those of the indigenous British. I got called racist (the stats are by country not race) and of course the stats were removed as racist.

Personally I think women's safety should be the overriding priority and such statistics should be used as part of a process to determine who can move to the UK. Why allow in men who statistically will carry out 40 times the sex crimes of the indigenous population? Let in women by all means.

I am genuinely interested why my view is racist when to me it is simply prioritising women's safety. AIBU to want immigration processes to prioritise women's safety?

I hate the minimising of stranger violence that seems to accompany any discussion of MVAWG. Yes, women are more likely to suffer from intimate partner violence but stranger violence is prevalent and extremely serious and women cannot manage their way out of it. Little girls dancing in a Taylor Swift workshop, Zara Aleena walking home at night, Sabina Nessa on her way to a meeting with friends, Bibaa Henry and Nicole Smallman after a picnic, Sarah Everard by a police officer, Natalie Shotter orally raped to death in a park, Amie Gray on Bournemouth beach and Charlotte Wilcock on her own doorstep by a stranger. These are just some of the women I can think of off the top of my head in the news in recent months.

I know that the national stats say my husband and sons are most likely to murder me but the fact is having known them for decades and know they are non-violent, it is strangers that terrify me.

YANBU- I think jaws will drop when people read this report, I fear the backlash but this report is needed.

Well that’s what the statistics will show isn’t it???

my personal experience is that cultural
background is most definitely a factor.

and you’re not listening to my point - if it is a minority of offenders come disproportionately from a particular cultural background why should that not be addressed? Why should a minority be protected when it is a minority of sexual offenders/haraasers?

Everyone is focused on sexual violence but I think what these reports will really show is which counties are controlling organised crime and the drugs trade in the uk. They are surely the areas where nationals of other countries are vastly over represented

But we know it isn't though, because women reporting sexual harassment in just about every place they go. Including where there is very little diversity among leadership (all white men). There isn't less sexual harassment in places dominated by white British men. You understand that... right?

I completely agree. VAWAG is extremely serious and the government should be doing more to tackle it.

Statistics are also very important but unfortunately not particularly helpful because it's rarely reported. You're more likely to report a stranger than you are a spouse or colleague.

We need better street lighting, more police on the beat, more guards at trains and tubes and more specialised officers. I'd also like on the spot fines for cat calling and street harassment.

Is your position that there are not cultures where there is worse street harassment than in the UK?

Do you ever question why you know the names of those women, but not others?

I listen to true crime podcasts while I study or clean. I prefer ones about the UK. I'm surprised by some of the murders that have happened around in the country, in the time I've been into true crime and we've had Internet etc, and I've never heard of it. Many of those are stranger crimes, not all with a sexual element. But I think neither the victim or the perpetrator really draws much media interest so it doesn't make it out of the local always. There isn't enough of a slant to the story.

You've changed between street harassment and sexual harassment. Do you want to talk about sexual harassment towards women from men that are unknown to them specifically? It seems that you do, so then you can say that only a certain set of men do this but again, that wouldn't be true. Especially if we think about everything that constitutes sexual harassment.

@MyOliveHelper I’m tapping out because you’re not reading what I’ve written.

i have explicitly said that white/british men of course still sexual violence/harassment and there is still unacceptable vawg from this group.

but it is delusional to say that there are not cultures where women are treated far far worse. Either known or stranger violence.

the question is whether the stastics will show whether men from those cultures commit higher levels of vawg when they move to Britain and if they do, so what.

I found the point another poster made about different patterns of drug dealing etc - I suspect there would be no outrage if the OP had referred to stats about this.

I think they will show different patters of violence and I think this should inform public policy.

if the stastics show this is not true then no one will be happier than me

Why do you keep referring to left wing actors and actresses - 'luvvies', every post you make about the topic focuses on their actions, why single them out?

So why are you policing here language? Why don’t you actually engage with what is being said, rather than nit-picking to sneer at her.

I think it’s a perfectly reasonable point of view to say “I want men that letch through school railings at female pupils to be deported.” And it’s also OK to for you to say “No, I think it’s more complex”.
No-one would really object if, Thailand, for example implemented something similar, and it was predominantly white men who fell afoul of it.

You are pretending not to know that (regardless of misogyny in the UK), the attitudes and beliefs underpinning misogyny are deeper in some other countries, and that this plays out in the behaviours.

Okay well we already know it isn't true that men from ethnic minorities commit more sexual crimes than white men. So that's that settled.

What would you want to happen to your adult son if he was caught doing that?

You're talking about deportation for looking at school kids. Looking at children isn't a crime so what are they being deported for? What would sex crime statistics have to do with men looking at school children?

This poster’s whataboutery is staggering. This, ladies and gentlemen, is what women should be worried about. Absolutely no regard for the truth or facts, but a single minded focus on justifying these men’s behaviour or minimizing it through making it out as men everywhere behave like this.

Have you drunk the progressive Kool aid and you cannot bring yourself to acknowledge the truth? Or is some warped sense of moral superiority that makes you feel like you cannot earn your brownie points without indulging in this nonsense.

Do you know what is worrying. Public sector is stuffed full of people like this. That’s how Rotherham happened.

They weren’t looking at schoolchildren. They were sexually harassing them.

What do you think should happen to anyone’s adult son?

and of course you can treat non citizens differently to citizens.

and for what it’s worth I’d be totally on board with white British/Australian men being banned from Thailand/Cambodia on the basis of their tendency to pop over for a bit of sexual exploitation. I think that there are lots of these men who do things to women in Thailand/Cambodia etc that they wouldn’t/couldn’t do to women and girls in the UK and Australia. Assuming it’s backed be evidence (which i don’t doubt it would be) totally justifiable.

More bad faith, faux, wide eyed pretense. What poor form.

I've drank the research by women who report sexual harassment in just about every space they frequent.

You're the voice of reason I see. Could you answer the question?

But you said "looking through school railings". So you'd want one of these immigrant men deported, but what would you want done to your adult son if he was caught doing the same? How would we rid the country of his dangerous antics? Remember he was looking through the railings at girls.

@MyOliveHelper what will your response be if the stastics report shows that there are stastical
differences in sexual offending between different cultural groups?

Do you think men perving on schoolgirls is okay?

Men perving at anyone isn't ok. Let's deport ALL pervs. They can go to perv island.