Crime statistics by country of origin

[Zebedee999]

The government is proposing to publish crime statistics by country of origin.

A few weeks ago I mentioned some statistics from other European countries (and in fact the UK) showing that sex crimes against women by men of certain countries are 40 times those of the indigenous British. I got called racist (the stats are by country not race) and of course the stats were removed as racist.

Personally I think women's safety should be the overriding priority and such statistics should be used as part of a process to determine who can move to the UK. Why allow in men who statistically will carry out 40 times the sex crimes of the indigenous population? Let in women by all means.

I am genuinely interested why my view is racist when to me it is simply prioritising women's safety. AIBU to want immigration processes to prioritise women's safety?

The woman in this clip is telling porkies?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yrrYRmSlit0#bottom-sheet

Believe all women unless it’s a woman exposing a Muslim man. Cause Islamophobia.

Horrific view. And explains why this shit was allowed to happen. Boils my blood.

Yeah my parents who ran their own businesses had nothing better to do than make up lies about Muslim men.

A gift to any party that cares about female safety yes. Ergo no use to the Labour Party, after all according to them discussing child grooming is dog whistle politics (i.e. don’t discuss it)

Yep, if one group of immigrants is shown to be excessively highly represented in SA on women then I agree that data must be hidden and not used for any purpose whatsoever and stuff the victims. (Ps actually I don’t believe this/your view at all)

You are talking absolute shite.

we are white British.

My husband of 36 years is still here because of the expertise of Eastern European clinicians and surgeons for the past ten years.

They don’t care!

They’ve decided the safety of women and girls and the right to live free from theocracy is an acceptable price to pay for their higher master - diversity.

ONS have issued this as part of a FOI request

So some data exists but it is now a few years old.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/sexualviolenceintheukbyethnicity

The links within the webpage i posted go to excel spreadsheets with the actual data.

Interesting to see the proposals today from the government to differentiate visa according to country of origin and likelihood of making asylum claims.

I’m actually not sure I agree wjth that to be honest

whar is depressing is that there won’t be the same high outrage against that I suspect as there wouod be if it was about propensity to VAWG

and as for the Islamaophiba. Milo et al consistently ignore comments about welcoming women’s and girls from these countries - because the rage is against saying no to men - fuck all to do with caring about religious freedom

Isn’t this ethnicity of victims not perpetrators or am I misreading?

Oh found table 3 - doesn’t really give much insight I don’t think?

It just seems to highlight their failings further. People will talk about a topic off the back of them and drive votes away from Labour.

Diversity works if you can come to this country and adopt our societal norms. If people don’t want to integrate then it simply doesn’t work.

It just won’t be possible for many men who have come from extremely segregated countries. They simply have not been socialised in how to act around women.

I say all this as a British Indian. And accept some Indians from very rural and backwards Indian states fall into that category. It is what it is.

We have an amazing country and honestly it’s scary what is happening.

As keeps being explained to you, it's against the law and not possible.

You are being deliberately obtuse. Pretending you don't have a clue what discrimination means.

Milo.

the law in the UK is made by the UK. It can change this law. There are lots is different types of immigration - the UK government makes laws about all these different types of immigration. For asylum seekers there is also in particular international law - the UK can decide not to comply with this - that is a political decision. Or it can work to change these international laws. Laws change ALL THE TIME.

the current news today - refer BBC article - is that the government is looking to make changes for study and other type of visas to restrict or have other conditions according to country of origin - because of concerns that these groups disproportionately then make asylum claims. In other words - they propose immigration laws thst descriminate on the basis of country of origin because of concerns about asylum applications.

And they can do this. Because they are the UK government. Who can change the law.

And for what it’s worth I don’t agree with this - unless there is evidence that asylum
claims are bejng made without reasonable prospect of success/are dodgy.

although I could agree with it if it comes from
the place that this is against the principle of fairness of opportunity to seek asylum in the UK - but I very doubt it does

@MrsMappFlint Your original comment is absolutely correct. Immigration 'solves problems' like the NHS, but these immigrants and all of their families will also need to use the NHS. They are needed to work in care homes, with the elderly, but they too will become elderly, and need care. Then it's more people to look after them, and then more to look after them, and so on. Any problem immigration is supposed to fix will only increase exponentially with immigration. A simple, obvious point that you'd think a child could understand. But no. Repeat the same lie often enough and it will be believed, no matter how little sense it makes if you give it a moments thought.

“Visa applications for some nationalities could be restricted”

I can’t get the article to link but if you google
his @MiloMinderbinder925 you will see how the home office is looking to change immigration laws

Visas can be can’t they?

It’s asylum that’s trickier

For sure asylum issues are trickier - but that still doesn’t mean that laws can’t be changed - nationally and internationally. And international law compliance is of course ultimately due to political
and strategic interest very different to domestic laws.

asylum laws were written a long time ago in a very different world. It is is hardly suprising that thinking about them is changing and law change is being considered.

i very strongly argue that women and girls should very much be considered in the rethink of asylum laws - which disproportionately favour men.

and in terms of asylum granting countries - the impact on women and girls in those countries should also be properly taken into account.

but you know - men’s rights etc

Ultimately the proposed laws are intended to discriminate against asylum from particular countries of origin.

@2024onwardsandup I recall hearing a radio piece covering Sudan and a mother telling her DDs to run, so she could take their place I won’t say more.

I also question the system we have. It favours huge profits and not the best outcome.

Yup - I think we should just airlift all the women and girls out - and we wouldn’t see any noticeble increase in violence in receiving countries what so ever.

Facts aren't racist.

Again the deliberate obtuseness. We're talking about asylum seekers.

I agree 100%.

None so blind as those who will not see, as the saying goes ..