Crime statistics by country of origin

[Zebedee999]

The government is proposing to publish crime statistics by country of origin.

A few weeks ago I mentioned some statistics from other European countries (and in fact the UK) showing that sex crimes against women by men of certain countries are 40 times those of the indigenous British. I got called racist (the stats are by country not race) and of course the stats were removed as racist.

Personally I think women's safety should be the overriding priority and such statistics should be used as part of a process to determine who can move to the UK. Why allow in men who statistically will carry out 40 times the sex crimes of the indigenous population? Let in women by all means.

I am genuinely interested why my view is racist when to me it is simply prioritising women's safety. AIBU to want immigration processes to prioritise women's safety?

@MyOliveHelper and @MiloMinderbinder925, let's try a different slant on this.

How would you feel if the UK changed immigration policy to strongly prefer women and children under 12?

That would be discrimination and against the law.

@MiloMinderbinder925 heres an example for you

its very hard to get a visa to Australia. It is easier to get one if you are a plumber, an electrician or a hairdresser.

in other words it discrimaintes against people who are not from this group because it wants more plumbers, electricians and hairdressers because they are more likely - at a group level - to make an economic contribution.

if the stats show that men from Syria - at a group level - are more likely to make a negative contribution to society by being more likely to have higher levels of vawg - then they should be discrimainted against. Because what they are more likely to bring to the society is negative than positive.

if the stats show that women and girls are more likely to make a positive or neutral social construction - then bring em in.

Yes, that's why I said policy change.

It would be a change in the law. Immigration laws can be changed.

Alex Philips made a very good piece about life as a young woman in London – the constant harassment etc. What makes it worth watching (I think you can watch it on Youtube) is that she's genuinely angry and 100% sincere.

It's not a very good example because a trade is a choice but your ethnicity is not. I keep explaining that we have something called Human Rights which apply to everyone, unfortunately for you.

You seem to want to take away some people's rights based on racial profiling.

I’d be interested to see the stats re recent Ukrainian refugees- I would bet there was a relatively large proportion of women and children and there was no noticeable higher levels of VAWG

could be wrong - but my instinct would be that

Unfortunately for you and your chums, Human Rights don't work like that. You can't give human rights to some people and not others.

Yes - I unashamedly want to take away/limit the rights of men to live in Britain who come from cultural groups who evidende shows are far more likely to commit sexual violence against women and girls.

I have not the slightest problem in saying that
why don’t you want to limit that?

and when you refer to “human rights” what exactly do you mean? “Humans rights laws” are laws written mostly by white men. Whst is your analysis of the human rights of women and girls in this?

what human rights specifically are you referring to in this case?

Can you point me to the international human rights resolution giving everyone the right to live in the UK, @MiloMinderbinder925?

And it’s not people - it’s MEN.

Women and girls from Syria - I think we should be flying them in

Every single country in the world, unfortunately, has VAGAW. In fact, there's something called the Nordic Paradox where countries with the greatest sex parity have higher levels of domestic abuse than other European countries.

CEDAW covers women but women are also covered by the UDHR as well as other instruments.

Men are people. I understand that you don't see some men as human and deserving of rights, but they are.

My question was how do the human rights of women and girls fit into your analysis on this issue?

whst do you make of the evidence upthread of the levels of sexual offences by country of origin in Germany then?

And there we have it - scratch the surface and it’s always about the poor men

I'm just stating a fact. Men are human beings. You can choose to twist that how you like.

throwing out simplistic sound bites does not a robust argument make

I quite agree.

@MiloMinderbinder925do you think all countries are the same on this? Eg if you had a dd would you choose one country over another or are they all more or less the same

Immigration Law is different to human rights law.
British Immagration is banned in a lot of countries as each country controlles it's own borders and it does not need to adhere to the human rights law as given to their own citizens.
It's the Government's choice to set the immigration target this year at 1.2 million and illegal migration of 200,000 they accept around 100,000 as assylum claiments.

One of the key tenets from @MiloMinderbinder925's (presumably) favourite novel 😏

I don't think the implication is that we shouldn't try and stop them ...

I find it pretty amusing that people are crying racism before the stats have even been released...it suggest they know exactly what might be revealed.

Exactly, @totk!