New councillor wants to stop 'free mixing' between men and women

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Independent candidate Maheen Kamran has been elected in Burnley.

As well as support for Gaza, her manifesto included a pledge to encourage public spaces to end free mixing of men and women.

"Muslim women aren't really comfortable being involved with Muslim men. I'm sure we can have segregated areas, segregated gyms."

Is this a sensible approach and important for inclusivity? It's notable that many anti-Trans activists advocate the importance of single-sex spaces.

However, some have raised concerns about the growing sectarian nature of UK politics.

Should we be looking to reduce 'free mixing' between men and women and create more single sex spaces?

We’ll see. I’ve been happy with announcements from sporting bodies since the Supreme Court ruling and guidance.

I think people will follow it.

The Supreme Court judgment is the law, you could try reading that.

The judgement does not mandate the exclusion of trans women from women’s spaces, it says they can be excluded if reasonable and proportionate, as has always been the law.

It’ll be interpreted not by a post on mn but guidance which people will follow.

I know you don’t want that but it’s looking likely. Some organisations have put out statements already.

Well I'll just crack on knowing you are ever vigilant.

It is not a women's space if anyone male is allowed in. That includes males who describe themselves as women. That's perfectly fair - it's the same rule for all males.

It's really not that difficult to understand.

No I don’t want it, as it’s beyond horrific.

And yes it does seem to be what’s happening in lots of cases, although also still not in lots of others so far.

Either way it is not the law and it’s very important that people stop spreading false information that it is.

You think allowing women to have single sex spaces is 'horrific'?

I get that that’s your GC logic , I disagree with you entirely. Either way it’s important to be clear what the law is.

The judgement does not mandate the exclusion of trans women from women’s spaces, it says they can be excluded if reasonable and proportionate, as has always been the law.

I wasn't aware my knowledge of plant reproduction was relevant here. I'll rest better knowing you are hovering over every little seedling ready to stamp on it.

What do you mean by 'GC logic'? I don't really understand what you're trying to say.

@LostcatI’m happy with quoting the guidance and won’t stop with that. It’s what people should be doing, that’s why it’s there.

I’m very happy changes are happening due to the Supreme Court ruling.

You think it’s horrific that biological men shouldn’t be allowed to compete in women’s sports?

If it's not law and simply an interpretation of a judgement, what are all those trans people and their allies out hollering in the streets and writing open letters on about then?

Are they 'anti-trans' to interpret the judgement in such a way too?

No- I think it’s beyond horrific to implement a blanket rule that people must use facilities according to their “birth sex”. Hell yes. Because it is. You do not see the damage and pain that it is causing people already,

i Think it’s awful that the FA just declared they were banning the 20 amateur (no professional) trans women from participating in women’s football- yes I do. I think it’s also horrific how women with DSDs like that poor boxer are treated in women’s sports. I also think it’s degrading to women at large and to women’s sports how trans women and women with DSDs are being treated, and how sports are being increasingly organised,

The judgment says that if a trans woman is in it, it is no longer a women only space and therefore the single sex exemption has not been correctly applied and you are just unlawfully discriminating against most men.

Like I said, you could try reading it.

Have you got any examples of the damage and pain using certain spaces that match their sex causes?

You think it is 'horrific' that in some circumstances, only people of a particular sex should be able to access something?

Do you think that there is ever a situation in which implementing a blanket rule that all facilities must be mixed sex could cause damage and pain?

Why is it awful that women should have fairness in their sports?

@AccidentallyWesAnderson

Interestingly Manchester City goalkeeper Katie Startup has come out in today's Observer wanting trans women to be able to compete in women's sport.

“Trans women, like all women, should have the right and opportunity to access and feel safe in football.”

observer.co.uk/news/sport/article/footballs-ban-on-transgender-women-draws-strong-reaction

You think it's horrific to make trans people use facilities alongside people of their own sex but perfectly fine to force women to use the same facilities alongside some people of the opposite sex?

Again, why?

“gender critical” logic. The logic of “gender critical” ideology

Can you explain, please, what a 'transwoman' is and why they've been banned from female football?

What a foolish reply which makes you look sillier than you intended.