To think this country’s gone to S***

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Second time now I’ve sat down to have drinks with a friend only to be met with “I don’t agree with Farage, but…”

Cue a rant about Muslims, immigrants, how the country is not what they remember in the good old days.

More and more people are starting to spout this drivel about immigrants. Yesterday it was literally ‘I’m not racist, I have asian family, but’ and then cue racist rant.

I feel like the country I love that used to be fair and tolerant has gone to shit.

Yep, I was on the receiving end earlier. Its just hypocrisy.

Takes two to tango.

Three actually, when your mate got involved. I prefer to work alone.

I seem to recall someone taking your corner as well, but you conveniently forgot that.

Nothing to forget. Except she wasn't being hostile.

OK. You are the victim. You have said nothing to upset or challenge anyone, definitely haven’t been rude at any point and we have all ganged up on you. Better now?

No, it doesn’t. And let me reiterate: God help us if such heinous crimes occur. The state must use every necessary means to track down, apprehend, and punish anyone who commitsor conspires to commit such acts.

That said, the point I was making is this: if such an event were to happen, it becomes the duty of everyone who cares about this country and wishes it well to stay calm, resist hysteria, and not fuel a febrile atmosphere that could incite civil unrest or worse.

As I’ve made clear in a previous post, Farage has already cost this country hundreds of billions in lost wealth chasing Brexit unicorns—far, far more than any failure in the asylum system, whether real or perceived and that in my mind is the greater crime.

Your link says there are different ways of measuring net contributions to the EU budget and the average net contribution calculated by HM Treasury for those years is £9.2 billion. In addition there are 'off-budget contributions' and the question of how the EU will eventually repay the money it borrowed for its Covid Recovery Fund - possibly by increasing contributions from member states. Then there is the cost of infringement fines member states often have to pay (including the UK).

Not forgetting of course that Dr. Vlieghe has used counterfactual modelling to estimate what the UK economy might have looked like - based on assumptions with obvious limitations.


Also, you compared an estimated cost of Brexit over 7 years with asylum system costs but asylum seekers granted refugee status will often then require support from different government funding streams such as housing benefit and universal credit.

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'People who have been granted asylum in the UK have a disproportionately low employment rate of 51 per cent, compared with economic migrants who have an employment rate of 88 per cent.'
https://www.london.gov.uk/who-we-are/what-london-assembly-does/london-assembly-press-releases/working-out-employment-barriers-asylum-seekers-and-refugees

I feel like most people who take the politically correct stance (for want of a better description) do it out of general principles while most people that object do it for specific reasons. Obviously there are also the outright racists but I don't think these are the majority of people concerned about immigration. I think a lot of people are a bit leery of it but are careful of what they say for fear of reprisal.

Your comprehension skills are lacking.

Not everyone who is concerned about immigration is a racist.

All racists say they are concerned about immigration.

get it now?

I would say that statement in itself is racist (as well as sexist and classist)

The thing that most surprises me is the public's seeming indifference to the sex crime element, especially as we hear a lot about rape culture in general from the left. We also hear an overwhelming amount about the threat from transwomen in women's toilets which frankly doesn't seem to come close in terms of statistical risk.

I honestly think this is an area that a lot of people just aren't very well informed on in regard to statistics.

It was recently discussed on GB News following a FOI request which evidenced that foreign nationals now account for almost 3/4 of sexual assaults in London. I'd not seen it discussed at all before seeing it mentioned on here and had I not I'd have had no idea.

Further analysis shows that they're also 3x more likely to be arrested for sex crimes and twice as likely to be arrested in general. In total they account for 26% of sex crimes in the UK despite making up only 9% of the population. The figures also show nearly 165 arrests per 100,000 of the migrant population, compared to 48 per 100,000 for Britons.

Even if we use the discrimination argument those figures are pretty stark!

www.gbnews.com/news/immigration-row-culturally-distant-nations-clash-uk-laws-british-values

Yes, correct. I got my arse handed to me when I posted about an acquaintance working cash in hand so she wouldn’t have to declare it and pay tax or lose any benefits.
’poor thing, just trying to make ends meet’ ‘cost of living crisis’
I was told I am the nastiest person alive for even considering reporting her.

It’s not.

Next time just dob them in and say nowt.

It bugs me when I pay tax and these folks can get away with stealing (cos that's what it is) from taxpayers like me.

If more people reported these thieves (cos that's what they are) maybe we wouldn't have a cost of living crisis?

Well I guess I made my point 🤷‍♀️

We need a bold Government and radical reform to improve this country’s deep seated problems. This has been going on way too long now - and while reform are revolting I do understand why people want an alternative.
The people of this country have been failed by various Governments - I know the Global picture isnt great but Europe seems to be more progressive and better off than us.

We need a cultural shift too - we live in a time of extreme individualism - problems are
the fault of individuals - they are lazy, don't work, or people should be able to ‘cure’ their mental health problems. I hear it all the time.

But in the context of jobs - wages haven't really gone up in 20 years and employers demand more and more for us all to be paid less. Mental health services are abysmal. So this is a systematic failure of our own society.

Yes, your goading got you what you wanted, didn't it.

It is. M15 confirms that the vast majority of terrorists nd extremism it considers a thread is Islamist extremism.

No matter how much evidence is presented, some still won't accept Islamic extremism is a massive problem. It's as though the need for one upmanship is paramount. Ironic how you're then accused of posting in bad faith.

You’d have to be a special kind of idiot to want to continue doing something that harms you.

Brexit anyone?

Good job M15 and the police have foiled a targeted Iranian terrorist attack in this shit country, isn't it?

If you want to get into hair splitting, in my original post way back at the start, I said that right wing extremism was one of the biggest problems. I did t say anywhere it was the sole issue.

We have 2.5% share of global GDP. I think we’re getting off lightly.