To think this country’s gone to S***

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Second time now I’ve sat down to have drinks with a friend only to be met with “I don’t agree with Farage, but…”

Cue a rant about Muslims, immigrants, how the country is not what they remember in the good old days.

More and more people are starting to spout this drivel about immigrants. Yesterday it was literally ‘I’m not racist, I have asian family, but’ and then cue racist rant.

I feel like the country I love that used to be fair and tolerant has gone to shit.

The number of people killed isn't a reliable barometer to the threat of terrorism. Partly because terrorism is defined by the motive, not the act, partly because of institutional bias in prosecutions, and partly because the threat a particular group posses changes over time.

CREST carried out a study on this and found that, of the 809 people convicted of terror related offences between 2001 and 2022, 61.7% were Islamists, but also found that non-muslims were significantly less likely to be charged with terror related offences than Muslims, even for the same crimes, which made the statistics unreliable.

Derek Bird killed 12 people in a gun attack, but wasn't classed as a terrorist.

Thomas Mair killed one person in a knife attack and was classed as a terrorist.

Ryan McGee killed no one but was involved with the British far right, had the anarchists cookbook and had made a viable IED ,but wasn't classed as a terrorist.

Abu Izzadeen killed no one but was involved with the islamic far right, including fundraising, and was classed as a terrorist.

Of course it is unless you’d like to be called the same.

But also can you say why it’s more complex than RW extremism backlash to increasing lack of control over borders?

If all the immigrants had blonde hair and blue eyes, no one calling for a cull in immigration would be accused of being "racist". It's utterly bonkers how some people think we have to just take more and more people, just because they are not white (and they are scared of being called racist accordingly).

It's glaringly obvious that our little island can't keep taking in more and more people, no matter whether they are white/black/green/blue, because we don't have the resources. We are also spending ££££ on immigrants when many of our own people are on the breadline and need financial help.

We must also acknowledge that many immigrants are from countries with very different values, morals and rules to us, and you can't just gloss over these differences, hoping for the best. Is it wise to import thousands of young men who have never seen a woman without a hijab on, and drop them into (say) the centre of Birmingham/Manchester/Newcastle, where women are scantily clad (and rightly so), and just hope that these men don't get overstimulated and do something we really don't want them to do (like DID happen in Germany).

Certainly, I can provide a comparative overview of the estimated costs of Brexit and the UK's asylum system since the 2016 referendum.
🇬🇧 Brexit: Estimated Economic Impact Since 2016

• Annual Economic Loss: The Bank of England estimated that Brexit has cost the UK economy approximately £40 billion per year, equating to about £800 million per week in lost income. (The Guardian)
• Cumulative GDP Loss: By 2019, the cumulative total of lost GDP since the 2016 referendum was estimated at £55 billion. (The Guardian)
• Trade Impact: A review found that Brexit cost the UK £27 billion in lost trade in the first two years after leaving the EU. (The Guardian)

🛂 UK Asylum System: Estimated Costs Since 2016

• Annual Spending: Home Office spending on asylum rose to £5.38 billion in 2023/24, up from £3.95 billion in 2022/23. (The Irish News)
• Cost Increase: This represents a 36% increase year-on-year and is more than four times the equivalent figure for 2020/21 (£1.34 billion). (The Irish News)

📊 Comparative Summary Category Estimated Cost Since 2016 Brexit ~£280 billion (based on £40 billion/year over 7 years) Asylum System ~£20 billion (cumulative over 7 years, considering annual increases) Note: These figures are approximate and based on available estimates. While I cannot provide a visual image directly, this comparative table illustrates the significant difference in estimated costs between Brexit and the UK's asylum system since 2016. If you need further details or assistance in creating a visual representation of this data, feel free to ask!

Farage has cost us 14x the cost of asylum seekers. Who's the traitor ?

After Reform won people are no longer scared to discuss the obvious issues out loud. Because it shows there's a lot of people thinking the same.

I'm against unskilled immigration in any form because there're already millions of unskilled people who get more in benefits than an unskilled immigrant in salary. Just use benefits calculator and you'll be amused.
First, train them as carers, barbers, bin men, receptionist, shop assistants, and kick them back to work! Then reconsider immigration if you still need more of this kind.

‘Influence’? In what sense?

My DH is an immigrant from an Islamic country, a practising Muslim, arrived in the UK as a highly-skilled migrant and is now v senior in the NHS. He will be voting Reform.

The negative effects of uncontrolled immigration impact us all, as does falling GDP per head. Any highly-skilled migrant with a choice won’t want to live in a UK with no green spaces, inadequate healthcare and where women are unsafe. It’s not as simple as saying “racist!” <gavel> any more.

We don't have uncontrolled immigration!

Apparently Starmer will smash the gangs. Does he have that control? Is it working

The real problem is, unskilled migrants are a money tree for the donors of those in power (Tories-Labour - doesn't make any difference, they all need donations)

They make billions hosting asylum seekers or importing foreighn carers and paying them below minimal wage but will never cross paths with them in the real life.

Shove your lefty patronising arrogance. I'm perfectly happy with myself love.

You don't sound it, love.

Yes, we have our own terrorists. What country doesn't?

However, you can't ignore the threat. MI5's Director General Ken McCullum said in a speech last year that 75% of their work is due to Islamic Extremists, yet Muslims make up only 6% of the country's population.

I am so pleased for you 🙂

Sorry love, was I talking to you? I will be equally as condescending to anybody who dishes it out love. Whether you think I sound happy with myself is inconsequential to my self confidence.

@CorneliaCupp We don't have uncontrolled immigration!

Officially, no we don't. But the reality is that we do. And we've had uncontrolled immigration since numbers rocketed once the old Communist bloc countries joined the EU. We have no ID cards and a 'muddling through' mentality so all of our administrative systems are utter bullshit. We literally have no idea who is here, who is supposed to be here, who should have left, and who should never have been here in the damn first place. We absolutely do have uncontrolled immigration.

It's a public forum - anyone can reply, come on, I'm sure you can understand at least that, if nothing else that's been explained to you so far

I’ve lived in 2muslim countries which has coloured my view on all the single men coming here.

Oh that again.

You can’t win with these leftie luvvies. They’re not interested in the issue or the topic, only interested in shutting the other side down.

So tell us then? What pronoun would you prefer to use? After all you’re all about identity politics and pronouns.

Oh I totally understand it's a public forum, which is why I pointed that out previously to the poster, whose 'rescue' you have come to. If nothing else, at least you've learnt that trying to be smart can be expected to be addressed..on that public forum.

That’s just one of the things RoboKeir is programmed to say.

Along with ‘my dad was a toolmaker’. His handlers may reprogram him now that he’s been trounced by Reform. After all they reprogrammed him two weeks ago so he could utter the words ‘a woman is an adult female’

It would be nice if you could also try to be smart, even just a little bit. Putting down the Daily Mail might help.
You haven't addressed anything, you've just been unwilling to debate sensibly instead resorting to being silly.

Oh no, the luvvie brigade will be along to tell you in a min that he’s a race traitor. Don’t you know that brown people are not allowed to think their own thoughts, the left decides what they get to think.