To think this country’s gone to S***

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Second time now I’ve sat down to have drinks with a friend only to be met with “I don’t agree with Farage, but…”

Cue a rant about Muslims, immigrants, how the country is not what they remember in the good old days.

More and more people are starting to spout this drivel about immigrants. Yesterday it was literally ‘I’m not racist, I have asian family, but’ and then cue racist rant.

I feel like the country I love that used to be fair and tolerant has gone to shit.

Oh you do have a sense of humour after all. Thank goodness for that.

I think you are doing a disservice to Arab countries. The rich ones anyway. Can you imagine mass immigration in their countries and certain nationalities being more involved in crime Dubai or Saudi Arabia, for example. They wouldn’t stand for it. Yet this country is full of fashionable leftie luvvies. Public safety and standards is so old fashioned.

That works both ways, I take it.

In fact I was thinking about the movies made like 40 years ago...
But yes, for many multiculturalism is more of a concept then a lived experience but they still feel entitled to post.
We've placed ourselves in a naice lib-dem voting bubble recently where all immigrants are mostly highly skilled workers and I can see where this passion for immigrants comes from.

Well I'm concerned about uncontrolled immigration so I must be a racist then. Well I never, every day's a school day on mumsnet.

I do. This may come as a surprise but I am actually a nice person who is a One Nation Conservative. I find the ‘lefty’ comments bizarre as that’s not remotely aligned to my world view on a whole host of issues.

Absolutely this but that pillock Blair did that deliberately.

@Ilovesooty That's fair enough and I take it that the friend, if she exists also doesn't apologise for being an adult afforded her own opinion.

Because they speak some English maybe?

Hear hear

..but I'm not a playground bully, who needs back up to be a bitch. HTH.

😂

You joke about Lincolnshire, but the immigrants are the symptom not the cause.
Lots of immigrants are being dumped in to small towns and the infrastructure is not there to support them.
It barely supports the locals.
There are very limited transport links.
No large shops.
One Doctors surgery.
Small primary and secondary schools that support the local area are already at PAN.
And then the town size doubles due to an influx of people that don't want to be in the middle of no where with nothing to support them and no jobs unless you a vehicle, Which they don't and it doesn't matter because they don't have a licence and can't afford to get one.

And the locals according to some are racist for pointing this out. Its no wonder that reform got in.

How is this type of comment ok, but to describe the opposite would be discriminatory? I thought stereotypes were outdated and borderline racist, or does that only apply to Islamic extremists?

Yes, we locals though tend to ignore those who call us racists. We continue to celebrate our heritage without fear. VE day here will be a massive thing but that's one of the things that's lovely about not despising your own country like many on here do.

She stopped short of calling them gammon yet it's the right wing who are classed as lacking in critical thinking. I wonder when the left are going at least try and be more original.

Bigots for seeing things differently to you? There's some irony there.

Sorry, please could you explain this post?

Are you saying that if there is yet another attack on children akin to Southport and the Manchester bombings, that it’s Nigel Farages/ his supporters fault if the certain parts of the country explodes?

I think one of the most common reasons for the ones who do is being able to speak English.

Although many more people claim asylum in France than do in the UK. And Germany receives the most in Europe by some distance.

Top 5 countries in the world for intake are Colombia, Germany, the Islamic Republic of Iran, Türkiye and Uganda, who collectively host almost one-third of the world’s refugees and other people in need of international protection.

Looks like it, even though the Southport killer had been referred to PREVENT on 3 occasions prior to his disgusting attack. The cover up was that the referrals were attributed to mental health (coughs) rather than terrorism. However, it's all down to Farage/Reform/racists, who are more a danger than terrorists.

I touched on this upthread when I said that if nothing was done then British mariners might take a leaf out of the Greek fishermens book and start puncturing dinghys themselves.....

Beryls .They are being housed at a hotel in Datchet ,a leafy Windsor suburb just down from the Castle.People there arent happy! Really though there needs to be some safeguards against more and more people arriving. Most people arent inherently racist, but worried about jobs and resources in their areas.Denmark have recently cut benefits to migrants according to the Guardian. This sounds drastic ,but may be a deterrent. Some discussions would help .Nigel Farage and his less than fragrant party ,will simply walk in otherwise.I for one would not welcome this .Apart from his views in migrants ,What are his other policies on taxation ,the health service etc like?

It’s a shame people have to shout down and get personal to others who don’t agree with them, instead of actually debating this in a sensible way. Those who dare mention immigration are called stupid ignorant bully owning racists, rather ironic really!

It's a pretty grim read but in essence all his points ring true and he sees inter community strife, a withdrawal of state authority from many areas and the rise of vigilantatism and domestic terrorism from all sides.

Historical Lens: Adler begins with his 1991 experience in Northern Ireland, where policing was simpler—largely divided between two factions (Unionist vs. Nationalist).
Modern Complexity: Today’s society is fragmented across numerous identity groups, making policing and public order far more complex.
Identity Politics: He argues that the rise of identity politics has undermined social cohesion by promoting division over unity.
Erosion of Authority: Police now struggle to enforce laws impartially, as any action risks being interpreted through a cultural or political lens.
Group Grievances: Competing narratives of victimhood and oppression complicate efforts to maintain neutral law enforcement.
Loss of Shared Values: Adler laments the decline of a unified national identity that once helped anchor public discourse and law.
Institutional Paralysis: Fear of backlash or accusations of bias often leads police and institutions to avoid action, undermining authority.
Media & Amplification: Social media and online platforms intensify divisions and accelerate moral panics around policing decisions.
Potential for Unrest: Without a shared social framework, he warns that civil disorder becomes increasingly likely.
Call for Realism: Adler urges a sober reassessment of how a divided society can be policed—suggesting that without unity, stability may be unsustainable.