Why can’t Harry just pay for his own private security?

[jennylamb1]

Don’t get it. He says that he can’t ever visit the UK again because his security won’t be provided. Loads of celebrities and high profile business people pay for their own security, why should tax payers pay for his security when he isn’t a working royal anymore?

I know ! , we may not agree on the fundamentals but on this issue I was confident that we are in one mind!
the ruling was correct, Harry receives adequate protection when he visits, he doesn’t need or deserve extra funds or special treatment above those we already have to support.

Thats absolutely reasonable. What more does he want? Hes a fool and digging himself an even bigger hole with this constant whining

He needs security because he was born into the Royal Family, on that basis I suggest that he should at least get a contribution towards the costs

He seems to manage without it when he wants to. Attending his uncle's funeral and a surprise charity visit spring to mind but anyway he does get security at our expense albeit not at the level he thinks he should.

As for a contribution towards cost, we've underwritten his vexatious litigation for years and spent £26m luring his questionable games to a bankrupt city with further associated costs to come.

He's not hard done by when it comes to dipping into a finite pot of public money.

I shouldn’t laugh!
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I agree with you both, @jeffgoldblum and @CathyorClaire .
Harry should not have special consideration above others because of how he "feels", because he is a prince.

@DietQueen2023 but it’s precisely because of his Royal status that he does receive security when he’s in the UK, assessed on a case by case basis depending on the perceived threat level. He wants blanket protection irrespective of the circumstances.

As I understand it it’s only Charles and Camilla and Kate and William who currently receive the level of security that Harry seems to want.

I don't automatically believe what he says because he has previously told easily provable lies.

And put some in his book.

"Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."

@Leafy3 To answer your points from the interview

• RAVEC consulted with the Royal Household on Harry's security arrangements before making its decision - and before they consulted with them the RH his security was to be maintained, which implies the RH influenced the decision. He specifically said that members of the RH actually sit on RAVEC.

The terms of reference for RAVEC are available https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7b4e3be5274a319e77e667/7367-RAVEC-TOR.pdf and the responsibilities of each party sitting on RAVEC are detailed in the recent judgement
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Sussex-v-Secretary-of-State-for-the-Home-Department.pdf (paragraphs 21 onwards)

• Harry claimed he'd not had a risk management assessment since the first decision in 2020 when standard practice is that they happen yearly. Unless each visit is subjected to one under another name, then he should be getting regular risk management assessments as per established protocols.

The judgement linked above also sets out the process of moving from an annual risk assessment via RMB to a bespoke risk assesment exercise for Harry - alternative approach not inferior approach. - See para 37 which also embeds from 1st judgement - linked here for your info https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/AC2021LON002527-RDoS-v-SSHD-7-Dec-23-Redacted-Open-Approved-Judgment.pdf

• Harry also claimed that the bespoke security arrangements were actually this: if he's invited by the Royal family to the UK, he gets full security, without an invite he doesn't. This would appear to be the determining factor in the case-by-case assessments.

In the interview, Harry claims he cannot safely visit the UK unless invited by the RF - there doesn't appear to be any evidence to this claim, unless Harry is confused in that an invitation from the RF would presumably be a state occassion - funeral/coronation and therefore he would not need an individual assessment as he would be protected by dint of the nature of the event, or it was a personal invitation and he would be protected by cover of King's security on royal property. That Harry feels this equates to not being able to visit outside of these scenarios is a Harry issue not a security process fact

Seems very unlikely: does anyone seriously think a DNA test was not carried out on Harry when those rumours started to be bandied about?

@myrtleWilson thanks for those links 👍

It's five years since Mexit. There have been no security issues on any of Harry's visits to the UK. Harry is not seeing that this is a major piece of evidence that what he has is what is needed.

With both charles and diana shagging around, itd be very hard to know whos cjild is whose.

They cant do a dna test on harry without harrys consent.

Unless they pay a hairdresser to keep a clipping of harrys hair or something

For heavens sake!!! im the furthest there is from being a fan of Harry .
these fake and unkind rumours were put to bed years ago , apart from the fact that the timeline for Harry’s conception and her affair with James Hewitt don’t coincide.
harry looks just like his father, grandfather.
and if that doesn’t convince you , know this … the monarchy may have modernised itself from the medieval period but no child who isn’t a direct offspring of royal parents has ever been permitted or included in the LOS , it’s checked.

This! 👏

They are not unkind rumours. The upper classes have notoriously had loads of affairs and lots of children fron other partners. So it is indeed a possibility that harry is someone elses son.

The time- line with james hewitt is debatable. Some sources say that diana didnt meet james hewitt, until after harry was born.

However, other sources state that Diana did meet james hewitt, before she was pregnant with harry

Can you hear yourself?
the upper classes! It’s not some tv drama series, these are real people with real lives .
and although the “upper classes “ apparently liked to engage in bed hopping, they were extremely serious about who inherited what !
and that doesn’t even include the royal family, who certainly don’t have “ bastards” running around the place since god knows how long ago !

the law about those included on the LOS isn’t just a royal one it’s also a parliamentary one , although the mother no longer has to give birth with a government member to watch anymore, these things are checked and taken seriously.

He's taking up a huge amount of court time and costing the tax payer for this and his security when he visits the UK. Now he's also proposing to take up civil service and government time by demanding a review of RAVEC. It is as if he thinks the machinery of state is there to serve him. 🙄

Do you know hair clippings don’t provide DNA? You need a root. Stop watching TV and go learn something love.

You CAN get DNA from rootless hair. So it's you that needs to learn something love.

Only someone as entitled and lacking in judgement could interpret 'bespoke' as 'inferior'.

Well yes, there is the main issue @IdaGlossop, Harry is entitled and lacking in judgment, intelligence and understanding!

I don't think Charles bore any illegitimate children of his body, mostly because being male he would be unable to; and I don't think Diana did either. But I think it's naive to assume that the general rule regarding DNA testing would apply when Diana inserting an illegitimate child into the succession would be high treason; I think the baby prince's consent would not be sought in a matter so important to the constitution.

harry looks just like his father, grandfather.

Yes, exactly! It's obvious to anyone who troubles to look. And even if it wasn't, Charles has always accepted Harry as his 'darling boy' and it's no-one else's business.

The only thing in support of it seems to be the ginger, and that clearly comes from the Spencer side. The ginger gene evidently goes back a long way - it came down the Spencer-Churchill line too.

Charles has always accepted harry?

He's not speaking to him at all now.

He stopped speaking to him when Harry made it clear that any conversation he had with anyone might end up misquoted and misrepresented by Harry to the media. Harry is not someone to trust. I doubt that the King wants not to talk to his wayward idiot son, but talking to him has become a risk Charles can't afford to take.