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Why can’t Harry just pay for his own private security?

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jennylamb1 · 03/05/2025 14:36

Don’t get it. He says that he can’t ever visit the UK again because his security won’t be provided. Loads of celebrities and high profile business people pay for their own security, why should tax payers pay for his security when he isn’t a working royal anymore?

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CleaningSilverCandlesticks · 03/05/2025 20:23

justasking111 · 03/05/2025 20:17

Okay. So anyone can get police protection if it's been assessed that there's a risk to life?

Well yes. If someone was threatening you with a knife at a football match, then the police would step in to protect you.

CleaningSilverCandlesticks · 03/05/2025 20:25

Spectre8 · 03/05/2025 20:20

He said he would pay for it and he was told no.

And you bang on baout him and taxpayers money but never me tion why the hell the sovereign grant keeps going up when they have slimmed down the monarchy and number of things they do. Not to then mention the lack of tra sparency around all the finances. But hey how lets just moan about Harry

Feel free to start a thread on the sovereign grant

lazyarse123 · 03/05/2025 20:27

Doesn't bother him going to Columbia, drug capital of the world and all the risks that brings with it. He's also the idiot who bragged about how many taliban he'd killed.
As for being the King's son perhaps he should have thought about that before slagging off his entire family.
I am definitely not a royalist and especially don't like how Charles has behaved but I wouldn't have anything to do with my son if he carried on like Harry.

JoyousEagle · 03/05/2025 20:30

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 03/05/2025 19:51

AquaPeer
So how do you know the security arrangements are sufficient/ don’t have anything “wrong” with them?

That one is easy! There is nothing wrong with them, they are working, and we know this because nobody has yet wrung Harry's blasted neck.

Also we can presumably judge RAVEC’s judgement by looking at other royals. For example, they have decided that Anne and Edward, despite being working royals who were children of and are now siblings of the monarch, do not need full time security and only need it when at royal events. They’re both fine. As are their spouses and children.
It’s not like RAVEC has a history of getting things wrong by being too lax. We don’t have a string of dead royals who should have had security but had it taken away.
I also think that a group of people who know they will definitely be fired if they get this wrong and something happens are probably more likely to lean towards being over cautious than not.
So with those things in mind, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that they’ve probably judged it correctly.

JoyousEagle · 03/05/2025 20:33

Nottodaythankyou123 · 03/05/2025 20:03

What I find interesting about the Catherine Carey theory being the daughter of Henry and Mary Boleyn is that she was related to Elizabeth through her mother’s side, which means IF Catherine was Henry’s daughter, Elizabeth II was the first direct descendant of Henry VIII since Elizabeth I and that only came about because of her uncle abdicating. It fascinates me to an embarrassing degree 🤣

Really? The Bowes-Lyons were descended from the Careys? I also find that very interesting, with the Catherine Carey/Henry VIII theory. That’s a great fact.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 03/05/2025 20:34

I would be more sympathetic if they had moved on to live a quiet light away from the spotlight. But this comes across when taken with all their other actions they want the benefits of being royals without the responsibility.

IBelieveinSomething · 03/05/2025 20:37

I am absolutely not a royalist. I dislike them all intensely. He is the kings SON. The king is madly madly rich mostly because of all of us and our taxes. The king needs to pay for whatever security he wants.

cumbriaisbest · 03/05/2025 20:37

Is " working royal" an oxymoron?

IBelieveinSomething · 03/05/2025 20:38

IBelieveinSomething · 03/05/2025 20:37

I am absolutely not a royalist. I dislike them all intensely. He is the kings SON. The king is madly madly rich mostly because of all of us and our taxes. The king needs to pay for whatever security he wants.

That would lead to a reconciliation and they would all live happily ever after!

AquaPeer · 03/05/2025 20:38

IBelieveinSomething · 03/05/2025 20:37

I am absolutely not a royalist. I dislike them all intensely. He is the kings SON. The king is madly madly rich mostly because of all of us and our taxes. The king needs to pay for whatever security he wants.

The king can’t pay for it either.

Ukisgaslit · 03/05/2025 20:39

cumbriaisbest · 03/05/2025 20:37

Is " working royal" an oxymoron?

Yes

IBelieveinSomething · 03/05/2025 20:39

AquaPeer · 03/05/2025 20:38

The king can’t pay for it either.

i am sure he could try and put suitable arrangements in place :-)

IBelieveinSomething · 03/05/2025 20:39

IBelieveinSomething · 03/05/2025 20:39

i am sure he could try and put suitable arrangements in place :-)

And pay for them.

AquaPeer · 03/05/2025 20:40

IBelieveinSomething · 03/05/2025 20:39

And pay for them.

That’s the whole point though, no one can buy it. They won’t provide it for money, no matter whose it is.

IBelieveinSomething · 03/05/2025 20:41

I’m not sure that Scotland Yard or the met are the only ones to provide suitable security.

IBelieveinSomething · 03/05/2025 20:41

but ok. I know armed security in uk is rightly restricted.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 03/05/2025 20:41

No one can buy or pay for met police armed security, not even the King.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 03/05/2025 20:43

IBelieveinSomething · 03/05/2025 20:41

I’m not sure that Scotland Yard or the met are the only ones to provide suitable security.

In the UK, it is illegal for private close protection operatives, including bodyguards, to carry firearms. The private possession of firearms is banned, and only the police and armed forces are permitted to carry guns. This includes firearms like handguns, as well as other weapons like pepper spray, mace, batons, and tasers

justasking111 · 03/05/2025 20:43

Guns are strictly controlled in the UK I can't see that changing.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 03/05/2025 20:44

IBelieveinSomething · 03/05/2025 20:41

but ok. I know armed security in uk is rightly restricted.

Not just restricted, illegal.

IBelieveinSomething · 03/05/2025 20:44

justasking111 · 03/05/2025 20:43

Guns are strictly controlled in the UK I can't see that changing.

Rightly so.

Nottodaythankyou123 · 03/05/2025 20:44

JoyousEagle · 03/05/2025 20:33

Really? The Bowes-Lyons were descended from the Careys? I also find that very interesting, with the Catherine Carey/Henry VIII theory. That’s a great fact.

Yep, think she was Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon’s 10th or 11th great grandmother. I believe Princess Diana was also a direct descendant so when Prince William takes the throne, there’ll be double Boleyn bloodline on the throne. To think, Mary’s family outcast her and our current royal family lives on through her. Sorry, historical detail over!!

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 03/05/2025 20:47

IBelieveinSomething
The king needs to pay for whatever security he wants.

Unfortunately it would not be possible for King Charles, or anyone else, to pay for what Harry wants, because it is not possible in this country for anyone to buy Harry what he wants. Either Harry is assessed by RAVEC as needing what he wants, or he is not assessed as needing what he wants, and nobody can alter their assessment just by offering them money.

IcedPurple · 03/05/2025 20:51

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 03/05/2025 20:47

IBelieveinSomething
The king needs to pay for whatever security he wants.

Unfortunately it would not be possible for King Charles, or anyone else, to pay for what Harry wants, because it is not possible in this country for anyone to buy Harry what he wants. Either Harry is assessed by RAVEC as needing what he wants, or he is not assessed as needing what he wants, and nobody can alter their assessment just by offering them money.

What Harry truly wants is to be equal to his brother.

And that is something no amount of money can buy.

GoodOldTrayBake · 03/05/2025 20:52

Poor Harry. The Royal Family are such a bunch of bitter cunts. Happy to stand by and allow those little children to be a kidnap risk and do nothing to protect their own flesh and blood. Shame on them.

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