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Why can’t Harry just pay for his own private security?

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jennylamb1 · 03/05/2025 14:36

Don’t get it. He says that he can’t ever visit the UK again because his security won’t be provided. Loads of celebrities and high profile business people pay for their own security, why should tax payers pay for his security when he isn’t a working royal anymore?

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Whoistheeasterbunny · 03/05/2025 20:00

I think it's less to do with the cost and more to do with intelligence...the UK intelligence services won't be sharing information with his private security firm and he can't just pay for UK police protection which would have information from intelligence services, who would know what type of threat to look out for. Regardless of how you feel about him and his history, everyone deserves to feel safe in their home country.

Whoistheeasterbunny · 03/05/2025 20:01

Lauralou19 · 03/05/2025 19:58

The simple fact is 70k is absolutely not what it used to be. You will be getting nothing extra on that income (other than child benefit) and the cost of living has gone through the roof. Add in renovating at an incredibly expensive time and your mortgage going up and its totally understandable you have very little left.

Although I totally sympathise with you, you can tell yourself that you’ll be bringing the kids up with a love of the outdoors/walks/picnics and those are absolutely our favourite family activities.

We are about 10k above you but DH’s job has the option to work extra shifts and there’s a bonus. Without that, holidays would be really difficult. I haven’t read all the replies but are there any options for overtime/anything either of you to earn extra at any point in the year?

Look for any deals you can with indoor type activities -
Amazon prime does cheap cinema tickets in the week (good in school holidays)
Tesco clubcard is amazing for days out/meals
National Trust gives away free passes
Cereal boxes for theme park tickets
Local leisure centre often has cheap sports/swimming activities. We have a huge pool inflatable near us which is a few pounds and the kids have a brilliant time.

If you have grandparents in your life (again sorry haven’t read replies), if they ask about Easter/Xmas pressies, ask for vouchers for family days out. We’ve all got enough ‘stuff’ so something like theatre tickets etc that you can all look forward to.

It will get easier and you also never know other people’s financial situation when it seems everyone has loads of money.

So funny to imagine King Charles sending Archie and Lillibet vouchers for Go Ape.

StClabberts · 03/05/2025 20:02

Whoistheeasterbunny · 03/05/2025 20:01

So funny to imagine King Charles sending Archie and Lillibet vouchers for Go Ape.

I was about to say, this is one of the funnier wrong thread posts I've seen on here!

Nottodaythankyou123 · 03/05/2025 20:03

JoyousEagle · 03/05/2025 19:16

Yes that’s what I meant, any direct descendants (and they could easily exist, he was hardly a model of fidelity) are nothing to do with the current RF.

Apologies, bit of a historical derail I know!

What I find interesting about the Catherine Carey theory being the daughter of Henry and Mary Boleyn is that she was related to Elizabeth through her mother’s side, which means IF Catherine was Henry’s daughter, Elizabeth II was the first direct descendant of Henry VIII since Elizabeth I and that only came about because of her uncle abdicating. It fascinates me to an embarrassing degree 🤣

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 03/05/2025 20:04

suburberphobe · 03/05/2025 19:03

He just wants to have more than any of the rest; he wants to be a First Class Royal like the heir to the throne while eg Anne is only second class.

England. Still living in feudal times with class systems. Even in 2025. OMG.

I don't think a single individual really counts as a "class"; he is a single individual.

To put what I wrote another way, for the hard of thinking, Harry wants to have won the marathon in the same time as his elder brother even though he has not bothered to run in it for the past five years, and be deemed to have crossed the finishing line ahead of the rest of his family who have been slogging along in that race while he was off somewhere else publishing probably untrue and certainly unpleasant accusations against them.

CleaningSilverCandlesticks · 03/05/2025 20:05

Lavenderfarmcottage · 03/05/2025 19:46

It does beg the question that if at the end of the day, Harry feels insafe and it’s causing division and with astronomical wealth - why doesn’t Charles pay up,

surely it can be empathised with that he’s on edge after the way he lost his Mum so suddenly and unexpectedly.

it’s different for us to think about these threats - they’re living them.

it seems to me that if Charles loved his son, he’d find a spare few meals and Devise a plan.

Harry is 40 years old, lives in the USA and has considerable personal wealth if his own - not least the tens of millions made from selling, amongst others, very personal private details about his father and attacking his wife. Harry is capable of paying for his own security in America and will receive security whenever he comes to the UK at the tax payers expense - so long as he gives reasonable notice.

Bigcat25 · 03/05/2025 20:06

BigWillyLittleTodger · 03/05/2025 18:04

It doesn’t matter what Harry says, he can say the earth is flat if he so wishes, doesn’t make it true. I don’t know how many more times I can say it, if Harry and/or his family want to come over he must inform the Home Office giving 28 days notice and security arrangements will be made, If you think our Security Services and the Home Office are liars and Harry is the font of all knowledge on National security then I can’t help you further.

They'll be made on a case by case basis, ie they might not always be provided with any security. I'm not defending him, I don't believe royals are any more important than anyone else.

jeffgoldblum · 03/05/2025 20:08

I would ask people, when our country is struggling with lack of funds to the point the government is stripping funds from pensioners and those with disabilities, why they think a multimillionaire prince who quit his job and moved to the USA deserves the extra funding from already struggling taxpayers?
do you consider him more deserving?
because what he really wants is 24/7 armed security with outriders , everywhere he goes including in other countries ( the clue is the fact he boldly claimed Charles had told other countries not to provide security!)
this will cost a very large amount of money that has to come from somewhere!
yep we would have to pay , if you think this won’t affect you then you are wrong.

justasking111 · 03/05/2025 20:09

Why did Taylor Swift get police protection?

Are American secret service agents allowed to carry arms when president etc visit?

CleaningSilverCandlesticks · 03/05/2025 20:09

Whoistheeasterbunny · 03/05/2025 20:00

I think it's less to do with the cost and more to do with intelligence...the UK intelligence services won't be sharing information with his private security firm and he can't just pay for UK police protection which would have information from intelligence services, who would know what type of threat to look out for. Regardless of how you feel about him and his history, everyone deserves to feel safe in their home country.

Which is why he, his wife and his children will receive appropriate intelligence- informed police protection whenever he comes here.

FenellaFeldman · 03/05/2025 20:10

Whoistheeasterbunny · 03/05/2025 20:00

I think it's less to do with the cost and more to do with intelligence...the UK intelligence services won't be sharing information with his private security firm and he can't just pay for UK police protection which would have information from intelligence services, who would know what type of threat to look out for. Regardless of how you feel about him and his history, everyone deserves to feel safe in their home country.

He is obviously safe, so security is perfectly good.

KidsDoBetter · 03/05/2025 20:11

StClabberts · 03/05/2025 20:02

I was about to say, this is one of the funnier wrong thread posts I've seen on here!

Agreed. Thought it was the cost of a one of visit with level 2 security.

Sell more jam and crappy cookie mix maybe?

JudgeJ · 03/05/2025 20:11

JoyousEagle · 03/05/2025 19:06

Yes, he doesn’t have any direct descendants. Or rather, if he does they are from illegitimate children and nothing to do with Harry.

Henry VIII’s sister maybe, through her marriage to James IV of Scotland. But that line goes to Diana’s family anyway I think, as well as the royal family. So I’m not sure similarity to a portrait of Henry VIII proves much.

Although I do think obviously Harry is Charles’s son. I think he looks like Zara - I saw a picture of her once in a woolly hat and pulled up scarf and it was just like Harry.

Harry looks very much like Philip when they were similar ages.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3882024/Photo-Prince-Philip-1957-bears-striking-resemblance-Harry.html

Photo of Prince Philip from 1957 bears striking resemblance to Harry

Royal fans have gone into a frenzy over a 1957 photo of Prince Philip with a full red beard in which he bears a striking resemblance to his youngest grandson Prince Harry.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3882024/Photo-Prince-Philip-1957-bears-striking-resemblance-Harry.html

Lauralou19 · 03/05/2025 20:12

StClabberts · 03/05/2025 20:02

I was about to say, this is one of the funnier wrong thread posts I've seen on here!

Sorry tried to delete! 😂 Shouldn’t post abd juggle the kids at the same time! 🙈

BigWillyLittleTodger · 03/05/2025 20:12

justasking111 · 03/05/2025 20:09

Why did Taylor Swift get police protection?

Are American secret service agents allowed to carry arms when president etc visit?

Because their was a significant threat, there was a serious terrorist threat a few days prior at her concert which had to be cancelled.

Kinkyroots · 03/05/2025 20:13

KeepTalkingBeth · 03/05/2025 19:49

I don't think this is about "armed police being for hire" but about contributing to the cost and having access to intelligence.

As an example, let's think about football matches. Clubs normally pay for officers inside the stadium, but we taxpayers fund all the policing on the streets. Through the years there has been pressure for clubs to contribute towards the "outside the stadium" costs. Premier League clubs can more than afford it. Armed officers have been used around football matches during high terrorist threat periods. Personally I think it's not great that taxpayers money is being spent on controlling football thugs but there you go.

No. Councils contribute to the cost of policing football matches. The clubs contribute nothing. Ergo, the clubs keep the revenue they make and the taxpayer funds the policing.

CleaningSilverCandlesticks · 03/05/2025 20:14

Why did Taylor Swift get police protection?

Because she was assessed to be at risk.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 03/05/2025 20:16

Lavenderfarmcottage
It does beg the question that if at the end of the day, Harry feels insafe and it’s causing division and with astronomical wealth - why doesn’t Charles pay up,

Pay for what, and to whom, though? In this country the monarch can no more buy armed police to look out for his son than can Mr Joe Bloggs of Street Avenue, Townham, Countyshire.

King Charles III has offered what it is in his power to offer: accommodation in a Royal residence, with Royal security. Harry apparently turned this down and preferred to stay in a hotel.

justasking111 · 03/05/2025 20:17

CleaningSilverCandlesticks · 03/05/2025 20:14

Why did Taylor Swift get police protection?

Because she was assessed to be at risk.

Okay. So anyone can get police protection if it's been assessed that there's a risk to life?

CleaningSilverCandlesticks · 03/05/2025 20:17

Bigcat25 · 03/05/2025 20:06

They'll be made on a case by case basis, ie they might not always be provided with any security. I'm not defending him, I don't believe royals are any more important than anyone else.

If he was not provided with security that would be because the very experienced security experts, after considering all the evidence including secret intelligence, decided there was no risk. If that was the case then why should we pay for it?

ThePiglet · 03/05/2025 20:20

justasking111 · 03/05/2025 20:17

Okay. So anyone can get police protection if it's been assessed that there's a risk to life?

Yes. The taxpayer paid for Salman Rushdie's security for years.

TheMeasure · 03/05/2025 20:20

Taylor Swift had had a very credible threat made against her whilst in Vienna (I think??)
Bear in mind that anyone planning an attack at one of her concerts would have put many British citizens also at risk.

Spectre8 · 03/05/2025 20:20

jeffgoldblum · 03/05/2025 20:08

I would ask people, when our country is struggling with lack of funds to the point the government is stripping funds from pensioners and those with disabilities, why they think a multimillionaire prince who quit his job and moved to the USA deserves the extra funding from already struggling taxpayers?
do you consider him more deserving?
because what he really wants is 24/7 armed security with outriders , everywhere he goes including in other countries ( the clue is the fact he boldly claimed Charles had told other countries not to provide security!)
this will cost a very large amount of money that has to come from somewhere!
yep we would have to pay , if you think this won’t affect you then you are wrong.

He said he would pay for it and he was told no.

And you bang on baout him and taxpayers money but never me tion why the hell the sovereign grant keeps going up when they have slimmed down the monarchy and number of things they do. Not to then mention the lack of tra sparency around all the finances. But hey how lets just moan about Harry

Kinkyroots · 03/05/2025 20:21

justasking111 · 03/05/2025 20:17

Okay. So anyone can get police protection if it's been assessed that there's a risk to life?

Yes, it’s the tip of the iceberg of what we pay to keep the elite alive so we can continue paying for them to be alive. In luxury.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 03/05/2025 20:23

Kinkyroots · 03/05/2025 20:21

Yes, it’s the tip of the iceberg of what we pay to keep the elite alive so we can continue paying for them to be alive. In luxury.

Yes, “normal” people just have to get on with it.

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