Why can’t Harry just pay for his own private security?

[jennylamb1]

Don’t get it. He says that he can’t ever visit the UK again because his security won’t be provided. Loads of celebrities and high profile business people pay for their own security, why should tax payers pay for his security when he isn’t a working royal anymore?

Love a historical derail!

No but he has certainly developed an entitlement above the norm

completely agree with these posts

He is not unique, There are other children of monarchs who don’t get specific protection unless working as royals. He doesn’t need a job in Lidl as being the King’s son brings with it immense privilege and wealth. And then there is the huge sums he has been paid for being a glorified tabloid reporter selling his family’s privacy.

He AND his wife and children WILL get security in the UK appropriate to the threat level - so long as he gives 28 days notice so it can be put in place.

Seventell
Harry said that charles is not speaking to him at all now.

How can King Charles possibly talk to his younger son at present? Anything he says may be taken out of context by Harry and misrepresented in an interview with just about anyone. Or indeed anything that KC has not actually said but Harry thinks he might have said, or might have meant to say, or might have thought very loudly....

And im sure charles can of course influence any security decision

If he could he would be different from his mother Queen Elizabeth II, who was unable to influence the decision made by the security service (Home Office) that if Prince Harry was no longer a working member of the Royal Family he was no longer entitled to armed security as a working member of the Royal Family. She tried; she failed.

So even ex prime ministers get full time secruity for life on less than two months public service?

I can’t think of any prime minister who has not given years of public service as an MP. Our shortest serving PM was an MP for 14 years including many years as a minister for various departments. And like all PMs she would have been privy to state secrets that we would not want falling into the wrong hands should she be kidnapped and tortured.

You gotta wonder tho
Why's security so expensive
You can go to some countries and get an amazing security detail for reasonable prices
Here 12 million!
Like what on earth
Do they have a guarantee you won't die or something 😂

From what I understood, this was exactly Harry's argument as to why private security isn't good enough. British intelligence obviously won't share sensitive information, which is why he's so adamant it has to be police protection.

Which he will get…

That birth has directly led to truly staggering levels of wealth and privilege, though, none of it actually earned. Unlike the majority - even amongst celebrities - he can afford his own security, despite not one penny being earned from any genuine talent, skill or expertise.

Nothing against him. But I don't get the argument that he was just born into this, because yes, he was: risk, yes, but all that money handed out for effectively zilch, too.

<Bangs head>

Harry said that charles is not speaking to him at all now.

The King could not risk speaking to him in case Harry brought whatever he said up in court. As king he has to be very considerate of his constitutional role.

Plus, of course, Harry would sell it,

Yes, to repeat a poster, he gets proper UK security.

people don’t realise national security is basically a broad term to do whatever they want. They can defend the UK in ways that are ambiguous and it really wouldn’t surprise me that as Harry’s media behaviour is a threat to the monarchy, he’s a threat to the country and treated as persons non gratis.

think he wanted to come back the Uk for longer stretches.

It’s not that he’s wanted dead - it’s that they simply don’t care - his presence is detrimental to the monarchy. Maybe that is seen as a threat ?

Lets face it Harry is more well known than all others besides Charles, Kate & William and he and Meghan get the same if not more media attention. The daily mail tab headings on their website say it all really.

I don’t think anyone needs data to know Harry would look be a target. He’s not a celebrity - he was born into this.

☝This. Harry always has to succour support as the victim in any scenario. He plays to the less discerning and / or informed public. His whole life is a drama.

He gets taxpayer funded security assessed individually for each visit to the UK but he is required to give 28 days notice.

It is reported that he did offer to pay for his own security team but requires they be armed. That doesn't work in the UK.

It does beg the question that if at the end of the day, Harry feels insafe and it’s causing division and with astronomical wealth - why doesn’t Charles pay up,

surely it can be empathised with that he’s on edge after the way he lost his Mum so suddenly and unexpectedly.

it’s different for us to think about these threats - they’re living them.

it seems to me that if Charles loved his son, he’d find a spare few meals and Devise a plan.

Football clubs don’t pay for security from the police; they contribute to the cost of policing the event. They have no say over how the police choose to police the event.

It seems to me that he's worried that as when the scenario occurs that he actually asks for this security to be provided, it won't be what he considers to be adequate (isn't that what he was going on about, saying that he'd been downgraded to lowest risk?)

I'm sure he could force the issue by actually making a plan to come to the UK with his family, and then seeing what level of security is deemed sufficient. If he's not happy with it, then he could change his mind at that point. It feels like that would have been quicker, easier and cheaper than a court case. But maybe I've missed something.....?

Fwiw I think he's so paranoid, that he's never going to consider the security to be sufficient without being told the exact intelligence held at that moment. So I can't see how he'd ever be content with any arrangement, even the one he's been pushing for 🤷‍♀️

I don't think this is about "armed police being for hire" but about contributing to the cost and having access to intelligence.

As an example, let's think about football matches. Clubs normally pay for officers inside the stadium, but we taxpayers fund all the policing on the streets. Through the years there has been pressure for clubs to contribute towards the "outside the stadium" costs. Premier League clubs can more than afford it. Armed officers have been used around football matches during high terrorist threat periods. Personally I think it's not great that taxpayers money is being spent on controlling football thugs but there you go.

AquaPeer
So how do you know the security arrangements are sufficient/ don’t have anything “wrong” with them?

That one is easy! There is nothing wrong with them, they are working, and we know this because nobody has yet wrung Harry's blasted neck.

And yet he wants to build bridges with his dad? WTF he doesn’t know whether he is coming or going!

I'm pleased he moved to the USA with his wife and family and is happy. I should also like it if they stayed there forever and he kept his mouth shut. In any family, who would want to pass the time of day with someone so keen to blab everything that transpires, puts whatever spin on it they choose and is heavily reimbursed for doing so. He is his own worst enemy.

Harry wants IPP status - which requires other governments to provide security when he is in their country. Obviously IPP status imposes considerable expense on other countries so it is very limited who gets this status. The fifth in line to the head of state is nowhere near that status. It would create considerable diplomatic difficulties, and expense to the UK, if states started demanding those so far removed from a head of state get IPP status.

The simple fact is 70k is absolutely not what it used to be. You will be getting nothing extra on that income (other than child benefit) and the cost of living has gone through the roof. Add in renovating at an incredibly expensive time and your mortgage going up and its totally understandable you have very little left.

Although I totally sympathise with you, you can tell yourself that you’ll be bringing the kids up with a love of the outdoors/walks/picnics and those are absolutely our favourite family activities.

We are about 10k above you but DH’s job has the option to work extra shifts and there’s a bonus. Without that, holidays would be really difficult. I haven’t read all the replies but are there any options for overtime/anything either of you to earn extra at any point in the year?

Look for any deals you can with indoor type activities -
Amazon prime does cheap cinema tickets in the week (good in school holidays)
Tesco clubcard is amazing for days out/meals
National Trust gives away free passes
Cereal boxes for theme park tickets
Local leisure centre often has cheap sports/swimming activities. We have a huge pool inflatable near us which is a few pounds and the kids have a brilliant time.

If you have grandparents in your life (again sorry haven’t read replies), if they ask about Easter/Xmas pressies, ask for vouchers for family days out. We’ve all got enough ‘stuff’ so something like theatre tickets etc that you can all look forward to.

It will get easier and you also never know other people’s financial situation when it seems everyone has loads of money.

Is this the same Ha try who bragged about his war kills?
wasn’t worried about increasing the threat then was he?
Think he wants it sorted and cast iron now, because eventually he will be dependant on William’s good will. Good luck with that.
He moans about other people in public life get life long protection, presumably these are people necessary not the state. An extended royal family is a luxury not a need.