Why can’t Harry just pay for his own private security?

[jennylamb1]

Don’t get it. He says that he can’t ever visit the UK again because his security won’t be provided. Loads of celebrities and high profile business people pay for their own security, why should tax payers pay for his security when he isn’t a working royal anymore?

Why do you care and why can you not join the other threads about this ?

How can private security in the UK protect you? They aren't even armed?

Harry is not painting the full picture. His security is paid by the tax payer when he comes to the UK, provided he gives 28 days notice so there is time to complete a threat assessment. He can't pay because it would set a precedent for wealthy people to buy government services.

My understanding is we don’t allow security personnel to carry firearms in the UK. Only the police or army can. The protection officers guarding the royal family are armed.
So in USA Harry security guards will be armed, but they can’t be here

I think it comes down to being allowed to carry fire arms in the UK and jurisdiction on the laws in the UK. That’s what I think he suggested in his interview last night

People can't buy police or army protection in the UK, and rightly so.

He wants full, armed, police protection. Paying for that out of his own pocket sets a precedent where any rich person can come and buy armed police for X amount of time, which takes them away from public duties.

Because the security needs to be privy to royal arrangements, be able to carry weapons and have information shared from the anti terrorism etc police. He did offer to pay, King Charles said no, probably because it goes against royal protocol, you are either entitled security or not.
When the Pope visited, it was in a bullet proof vehicle. It still cost us £12 million. There was no intel on serious threats. There are always credible threats against Harry and in particular, his children.

His security IS provided in the UK, it's just not the blanket. Overage he wants so he's throwing his toys out of the pram like a petulant brat

It also only covers him - not Meghan or his children. There have been very credible threats to Archie when they were living in Windsor.

Hardly! His security detail only covers him. Not his family if he isn’t with them.
he has previously had credible kidnap plots targeting his son and you think he throwing his toys out the pram? 🤷🏻‍♀️
Im interested to hear how you would react under such circumstances? Particularly if your parent provided security for your sibling and his family but not yours despite the risks?

Charles doesn’t provide William’s security.

He wants guns and access to police/security service intelligence which private security cannot provide in the UK. Presumably if there was an identified threat protection would be escalated accordingly.

This isn’t right. If they came over the RAVEC assessment would look at the risks to all of them and provide security of the risks warranted it but need notice to do the assessment. He wants the security to be fully available whenever he chooses to visit without notice.

We can’t see how he feels safer in the US, where anybody can buy a gun, compared to here? Trump was shot in the ear last year - presumably a near miss for a fatal shot to the head? Who is likely to have more security than Trump?

We talked about risk. DH missed the IRA bomb at London Bridge by 15 minutes. He was in Kings Cross when he heard the bomb on the bus go off - the very area, he used to walk through every day on his way to the office. He was late getting up that day! His office was on Shaftesbury Avenue and the police regularly cleared the area, due to bomb threats.

I should have caught the train in the Wembley train crash. There were two trains on the platform and that was the first out. I was too tired to walk the length of the second train to get on it, when probably all the seats had gone. I decided to get on the train at the back and have a sit down. Later, they led us along the tracks at Wembley past the train crash.

Anybody in London in particular can be in the wrong place at the wrong time and get stabbed?

@notanothernamechange24 - kidnap plots?!
Even so, the security WOULD be provided IF deemed necessary - I personally would be furious if millions and millions was spent each year to provide unucessary security for Harry and Megain to sell jams and spew their lies - they're not working royals, they stepped back, they moved away and changed their lives, so they get on with it I'm afraid

Harry is a unique case because he was born into the level of risk that the has. He didn't strive to become a pop star or actor, didn't get voted into power, did nothing himself to have been a kidnap threat since the day he was born.
It doesn't matter if he's a non working royal or the most working royal ever, he is still the King's son. He could try to rebrand as just Harry Sussex/ Mountbatten-Windsor and get a job in Lidl, but he is still the King's son with all of the risks that brings, through no choice of his own.
I haven't seen the whole of the interview but thought he made that point very clearly - his royal job might have changed but the threat level brought by who his family is hasn't.

Personally I don’t think it’s being a petulant brat to want to be able to travel freely. Would you like it if you either had to stay in one country and be safe or risk being hurt in other countries because of who your parents are?

So you want the UK to pay for global security for Harry forever - so 4 full protection teams living in the US and on a full time rota @CalypsoCuthbertson

We know that he travels overseas with his wife and that they have bought a second property in Portugal so he’s not confined to staying in the US.

He has to give notice if he wants armed security so the security staff are available and that they can make arrangements so that his itinerary is as safe as possible.

That’s a bit of a big leap away from anything I said. I think it’s fair for him to be able to visit his home when he wants to rather than just when he’s summoned by his family, and yes, if as a country we’re going to have a royal family born into positions (which I actually think is a load of rubbish - the whole design of it is psychologically traumatic and is why we have dysfunctional royal families - it needs scrapped) we should take the responsibility to keep people safe within the gilded cage we’ve built for them.

That’s not what he said in the interview.

Exactly and whether we like it or not, there are many groups of people who would be a very relevant threat to him and his family. He is still the King's son!!!

He’s been photographed overseas- Jamaica, Nigeria, Columbia, Canada… He might have bought the Portuguese property without seeing it in the flesh but he could have visited there too.

Does anyone truly believe the Kings grandchildren are not targets? And Archie and Lilibet will be much easier to get to than the others. Especially if people know they are not protected by armed security
If Diana hadn't refused Royal protection she'd probably be alive today.