Why can’t Harry just pay for his own private security?

[jennylamb1]

Don’t get it. He says that he can’t ever visit the UK again because his security won’t be provided. Loads of celebrities and high profile business people pay for their own security, why should tax payers pay for his security when he isn’t a working royal anymore?

He doesn't want to.

His case is considerably weakened by: choosing to travel to Columbia, Nigeria and Ukraine; choosing to live in a country where virtually anyone can own a gun; choosing to publish the number of people he killed in Afghanistan when serving in the military; the fact that despite all these factors, there has been no attempt to harm him, unless you count the New York car chase, in the four years since he stood down as a working royal.

He thinks that’s ever so unfair and doesn’t want to.

As the judge politely put it, his grievances do not amount to legal arguments.

a target because people dislike them is very different to a kidnap for ransom threat or the threat of assassination.

The trouble is Harry voluntarily left the set-up where armed security and a secure residence were available to him. As he now lives outside the UK, he'll have to inform the security services when he will be travelling so they can prepare for him. He has been offered secure royal residences to stay in on his visits which he has refused.

Meanwhile someone armed with a crossbow got into the grounds of the property in Windsor where William, Kate and the children were staying.

This ⬆️. I thought the judge was very clear about the situation.

And that last point, about him choosing hotels over a secure royal residence, significantly weakens any moral high ground he claims to have imo. Ok, relations are frosty, but it’s a palace. He’s not saying no because he doesn’t want an awkward breakfast in his dad’s 3 bed semi. He could stay and not see anyone.

Remember his mother gave up her security when she was divorced from Charles, obviously it was there when she was with her children but otherwise not.

Yes she gave it up against Royal advice.

I don't think it is at all unreasonable for Harry to have the same security as the rest of his royal family if he visits the UK. It was an outrage that it was taken away so suddenly while he, Meghan and Archie were on Vancouver Island. Chaos descended. Thankfully they managed to escape and obtained some privacy thanks to Tyler Perry.

He does get security, he is not entitled to the same as The King, our Head of State or the Prince of Wales the Heir and nor should he be, he is a non working member of the RF who lives in another country. They had security on Vancouver Island by the way, the Canadians were not impressed at having to foot the bill, and as for Tyler Perry wasn’t it at his house where the pair of them were complaining about paparazzi in helicopters flying above their house he lent them?

I would like to see him, Meghan and the two children here sometimes. The two little ones are the King's grandchildren and the family needs to be able to relax, not worrying about people looking through their windows.

When has anyone been able to look through their windows? Oh must have been when they were staying at Tyler Perry’s house.

He has slipped down. He is fifth in the line of succession. Before George was born and while QEII was alive, he was third. When William ascends the throne, he will go back up to 4th. Such fun!

That's why they get security. When they lived at Frigmore Cottage did anyone peer in their windows? Snap them in the back garden? Hide in the bins? No. The only images we have of that residence are the ones Meghan and Harry took, and shared online.

He doesn’t phone to give 28 days notice of his visit. He said clearly the security he would be provided with “amounted to advice over the phone”

he is only provided with security for visits where he is invited on royal business- which won’t happen as he isn’t a working royal and is estranged from Charles and William.

i don’t think it’s true that he gets security with 28 days notice whenever he fancies coming

his main complaint was that the process wasn’t being followed for him as it is for others

What others? Who else decided to step away as a working royal and live in California?

Then your thinking is wrong.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61114969

The media found out about this visit after it happened. It clearly takes planning but can be done under the right conditions.

The recent case, Harry v the Home Office was very interesting. There was a very informative thread going at the time, with all the ins and outs.
It was not Harry v Charles, and it was not about him getting "no security".

If he thinks his family are going to want reconciliation after that interview and statement yesterday, he's a bigger tool than even I thought.

He was carefully managed when part of the BRF - now he's a loose cannon and we're seeing the real Harry. Arrogant, petulant, entitled and entirely unaware of the consequences of his actions.

The other royals who get security, obviously.

They get security because they're in the UK and doing official engagements.
They don't get any security if they're not on an official engagement.

To be fair. Michelle Obama has just done an interview stating that this is the same for the president- he has the security, they had to pay for their children’s. And they travelled in alternative vehicles that they had to pay for personally .

Anne and Edward and even andrew were at one point the sons and daughter of the monarch they still didn't have 24/7 security

I know all that. I’m answering the question you asked me. I don’t have any argument about it.

I don't think it's just the money although it's a big thing to him. It's regaining royal status. What are these pretend royal tours about?-he's acting as if he still has status,as if he was as important as Prince William (in a constitutional sense).
I really think he's not quite well.¹

Yes, the USA has a different system, don't they? That's because it's only the President technically who has the role. On that basis, Harry should count himself lucky.

What’s that got to do with anything?