To ask if you are not a Christian, what non Christian values you live by?

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Just that really!

I'm not concerned. I am just pointing out that your earlier statement was in fact incorrect and that there absolutely are Christians who believe that non-believers are automatically destined for Hell.

For me personally that isn't a worry, since there is no such place - but it does reflect a certain meanness of spirit in certain Christians and their God.

Not the.poster you are replying to. But there's a lot of literal virtue one-upping on t his thread about what is a worthwhile value. And a lot of 'that value is Christian' even if it can also be ascribed to non-Christian faiths too.

One reason for not being Christian is not ascribing to this core, central doctrine. I try to live morally and kindly - but I do not agree with this core part of Christianity, and fundamentally I do not believe Jesus was the son of god. Thus I am not Christian (on good, solid theological reasons). I'm not atheist either as that is a definite belief in bo God. I simply do not believe.

That's very well put. There's a profound arrogance in faiths claiming that human virtue comes exclusively from belief in a deity when it is so very clear that human virtue is something the majority of humans have, whether or not they are religious - because they are essential to the survival of humanity as a species.

What I am taking away from this thread is that lots of people don’t know the difference between a value, morals, principles, behaviours etc

To come to God and be saved, you need to repent, have faith, and be baptized.

If you commit mortal sin, you need to repent, have faith, and go to confession.

That's it.

No-one get "sent to Hell", some people choose to go there and God will honour that choice.

https://okrquickstart.com/post/difference-between-values-principles-behaviours

quick Google to find a link to something

What if you've chosen the wrong God?

Hypocrisy doesn’t mean failing to live up to one’s own high standards. It means pretending you do when you don’t.

I'm not concerned. I am just pointing out that your earlier statement was in fact incorrect and that there absolutely are Christians who believe that non-believers are automatically destined for Hell.

No I was correct..
If they believe this then they are not Christian.

Think of all the millions of people who were born, lived and died before Our Lord walked the earth, and therefore had no knowledge of him and no chance to believe in Him, do.people really think all these people are in Hell?

In Catholic theology, the "Limbo of the Fathers" (or "Limbo of the Patriarchs") is a concept that explains the state of righteous souls from the Old Testament who died before the coming of Christ. It's a place where they awaited Christ's redemption and entry into heaven. This concept is also known as "Hades" or "Sheol," and it was believed to be a temporary place where the souls of the just were held until Christ descended into it and freed them.

Likewise people who have not got the intellect (through no fault of their own) who cannot understand theological concepts will not be punished for lack of understanding.
Only those who have the use of reason are capable of committing serious sin.

Then God will honour your choice, as He gives us free will.

What haven't I answered? I've been asked a few and I'm struggling to keep up, I thought I have answered the main ones?

And if you don’t believe god exists?

This idea that morality is determined by the "survival of the species" strikes me as odd, and I am curious what it is based on, Where does homosexuality fit in this?

How? If it's a different God? One where there is no Hell for you to end up in for choosing not to believe in what turned out to be the wrong God?

This episode of South Park does it best. Everyone except the Mormons were in Hell, despite believing in a God who you say will let you be saved if you follow him.

Penguins do ok, don't they?

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves I'm happy to agree to disagree. To add to the pp - C.S.Lewis argues that morality is a universal and objective reality, not merely a product of human preference or societal norms. He suggests that morality is concerned with fair play, individual character, and the overall purpose of human life. Lewis posits that a genuine moral law exists, which transcends individual desires and societal dictates, and points to a supernatural reality as its source.

A surprising amount of people don't know the Bible isn't one book @Brahumbug. It's a bit of a sweeping statement to say that outside of Paul's writings the rest of the Bible was written anonymously. Authors include Moses, Solomon, King David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, the Apostles etc.
God does not condone slavery. It was documented and at times regulated within the scriptures.

So no matter how good your words and deeds are, you're fucked if you don't follow one additional rule - believe in Jesus.

"No one comes to the Father except through me." JC

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.
@KrisAkabusi

If someone does not come to believe in God because of stubbornness or refusal to give up selfish desires, then such a person would be culpable for his lack of belief.

If, however, because of circumstances a sincere person is prevented from coming to belief in God, then his lack of faith is called invincible ignorance and such a person would not be considered culpable.

"For God who sees clearly, searches and knows the heart, the disposition, the thoughts and intentions of each, in his supreme mercy and goodness by no means permits that anyone suffer eternal punishment, who has not of his own free will fallen into sin" Pope Pious IX.

Absolutely. You don't need a a faith to have good values. Anymore than cleaving to a faith is a guarantee of living by those values.

Oh, that's simple. You have but to look at the animal kingdom to see that homosexual couples serve an evolutionary purpose, because they tend to adopt offspring whose parents have died and who would otherwise not have survived.

This makes religious opposition to adoption by gay couples look rather foolish. Having a group of people in a society who are not driven by the urge to procreate can be incredibly useful to that society. Nature can be very pragmatic in her approach. it is

On morality as driven by survival of the species - well, that should be obvious. Without prohibitions against murder, rape, theft and the like, it is far less likely that a given society will survive and prosper. Again, pragmatism. Look at social animals and you will see many of the same rules we humans have enacted.

@Fathomsbelow
It is worth mentioning that while both Protestants and Catholics believe in salvation through Jesus Christ, their understanding of how salvation is achieved differs.
Protestants generally believe in "sola fide" (faith alone), meaning salvation is a gift received through faith in Jesus, while Catholics emphasize the role of good works and participation in the Church's sacraments

My values are:
Honesty
Integrity
Justice
Live and let live/ mind your own business (as long as its not hurting anyone)
Animal welfare

Off the top of my head!

I do things that could be considered "good deeds" but I don't do them for thanks, or make a big show of having done them. I do them because they are the right thing to do, or because I think it helps the other person, or, I feel that if the situation were reversed I hope someone would do the same for me.
If you only do good deeds because you are obliged to by your religion, I'd argue that you're only doing them to avoid punishment. That isn't a morally sound basis.
I try not to judge people, and will try to stand up in the face of injustice.
That said, I do sometimes treat some people a little more harshly. Reform and UKIP voters and the suchlike who suddenly find the things they voted for have not given them what they wanted.

Because sex and reproduction are two entirely different things. Do you only have sex to breed?

This

I'm of the former beliefs @esthersouwester but have been happily nodding away to your posts thus far! I'm not overly familiar with the ins and outs of Catholic doctrine though.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/religion/2016/09/tom-holland-why-i-was-wrong-about-christianity

Tom Holland authored the book Dominion. He concludes:

It is an attempt to trace back my liberalist, humanist values and to see where it leads through the labyrinth. Ultimately it leads back to Christianity and I've come to the conclusion that in almost all of the essentials, myself, my friends, the society in which I live and the whole of the west is so saturated in Christian assumptions that it is almost impossible to remove ourselves from them.