AAAAGH Reform. Are people ignoring the racist?

[Peasnbeans]

And that he's no economist skills yet promising the impossible. And a racist. And mysoginist.

If Mumsnet is full of women, how is no-one talking about Reform and limiting women's rights?
I know I'll get flamed for this, but it is a boiling frog situation! Jump out!
And I didn't choose the AIBU board but I looked down all the Current Threads and this didn't feature.

Are they planning to shoot people on the beaches? I've not heard an actual plan yet.

Are you quoting the wrong person. I havent claimed Britain doesnt have a racism problem.

Calling people stupid and assuming you are intellectually and politically superior is exactly what got us into this situation.
And yet you call others stupid.

Yes, there are!
Farage isn't stupid either.
He knows people are fed up with the state things.
A lot of people are thick as pig shit (I include some of my family members here). Who instead of reading around the subject of why the country is in a mess (years of austerity and cut backs selling off assets?), they're just too happy to jump on Nigel's bandwagon of hate and division.
How is this helping the UK?
Tories are not much better either.
They're tapping into people's insecurities and fears of those not bright enough for independent thinking.

On NHS, Farage has said he’s open to funding in a different way. This could mean health insurance. A US style of health insurance means not everyone can get treatment.

Racist?

Sorry, what do you mean by 'illegals'? People seeking asylum?

You do realise that asylum seekers are banned from working in the UK and their families provided with £7 a day to live on by the government? Housed in temporary accommodation that is often overcrowded and vulnerable to hate crime as we saw last summer?

People fleeing war or persecution have the right to seek asylum in other countries. The UK government actually makes this an extremely difficult process.

If you seriously believe 'illegal migrants' are receiving better services and housing than UK citizens, you have been brainwashed by the right. Feel free to fact check everything I said.

To be pedantic it's a private Ltd

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/11694875

and in what way do we have uncontrolled immigration?!! Er the hundreds of thousands of young men pitching up in small boats is a good place to start.

So you are fine with people just being sacked because they have a job role that includes some EDI policies/implementation?

I doubt that Nigel Farage has the authority to do that. It would cost the councils loads in unfair dismissal claims. He's just copying Trump who is doing this but he is President (unfortunately) with much more power than Farage.

On the topic of immigration, I think the UK has a strong sense of fairness, and for certain areas of the country which have been ‘left behind’ and are struggling, it is unsurprising they will look for someone to blame when there is a perceived or real scarcity of resources.

Personally, I am hugely grateful to our immigrant NHS heroes. They saved my life. I’m a perfectly healthy 38 year old, yet I was unexpectedly rushed to A & E battling a severe kidney infection. I was at risk of sepsis, shaking uncontrollably for hours in A & E. I experienced first hand the pressure our health care system is under. The first night a team of immigrant nurses were with me throughout the night, tirelessly administering antibiotics and bringing my temperature back down from dangerous heights. They undoubtedly saved my life, and I am beyond happy they were here. Absolute grafters and heroes in my opinion, who absolutely deserve the respect of natives.

I taught for many years in a multi-cultural school, beautiful children, beautiful place. My own children attend a very multi-cultural school. Their best friends are from India, Poland, Romania and Greece. I am so happy to have had the opportunity to meet and get to know so many fantastic people, who have shown my family nothing but hospitality and kindness. Friends we would miss greatly and be very sad to see move away from our community.

What I will say is that it is sometimes white people who contribute to resentments, not people from different faiths/backgrounds. What I mean by this is that it was liberal white teachers picking holes in Christmas Nativity play scripts. I actually asked my good friend and Muslim colleague to read the script, she said there was absolutely nothing offensive about it. My friends from other backgrounds always wish me a Happy Christmas or Easter, and I likewise wish them Eid Mubarak or Happy Holi/Diwali. Some of the ‘Happy Holidays’ stuff comes from well-intentioned white people overthinking things 😂

Just in case it's not been covered yet .... there is a Politics board @Peasnbeans which would seem ideal for this thread.

It’s impossible to take you seriously when you spout such silly nonsense about Rachel Reeves. She studied Philosophy, Politics, and Economics at Oxford, has a Master's degree (with a merit) in Economics from the London School of Economics, and has relevant work experience. I think someone with those qualifications is justified in calling herself an economist, and the things you accuse her of wouldn't change that even if true. I assume you just don’t like her politics and are trying to smear her however you can.

Have you had the same concerns about the word "economist" being applied to any of her male predecessors as Chancellor, I wonder? You might find the table contained in this article interesting and informative.
https://www.accountingcpd.net/Is_Rachel_Reeves_an_Economist%3F?srsltid=AfmBOorK7oJwQNFtGaDShhqcnhBp-BgL5pk7lZQE2IyiJLgP203wk6r_

This Labour govt. are the worst in living memory …we are taxed to the hilt, cannot access hospitals or a GP, roads are a mess…granted they have had a short period but they aren’t up to the job that is crystal clear.

RR is so far out if her depth she’s lied on her CV and is incompetent…they are a spiteful bunch too …don’t get me started on the education minister Bridget Phillison or Angela Raynor neither of them should be in post.

KS lacks any charisma or empathy and I doubt he will last…

The sooner they are gone the better ….they are destroying the country it was bad before but this is far worse …

Mass immigration legal and illegal is a huge problem ….needs to be stopped and reversed…especially the boat arrivals that’s a huge problem and very worrying all young men who come from countries that don’t fit with our values what possibly can go wrong!

There are some areas which are unrecognisable …something needs to be done and fast.

Reform has gained as it’s about putting British first which it should be…based on yesterday’s results they will make a big change…

This is what I don't get. When I read posts on social media the narrative is very much 'Labour have ruined our country by not tackling immigration' but the evidence is they are ...and I'm pragmatic enough to not have expected it to happen overnight?
Reform say in their policies that multiculturalism in the UK hasn't worked. From my point of view when I think of British success over my lifetime (especially in areas like sport, music, scientific research) it's because these diverse voices are there.
Reform talk about our values, traditions and ways of life. Doesn't actually name them though. I wonder what Reform voters think this actually is. Is it football on a Saturday and a curry after ? Church on a Sunday? Purely an English culture with no influence from our Celtic nations?
Perhaps Labour need to get better at articulating.. I'm not sure some elements of the media would allow it though.

He likes Andrew Tate.
Farage told the Strike It Big podcast in February 24 that Tate had been “an important voice” for men, who were being emasculated.
He said: “Tate was a very important voice for an emasculated … you three guys, you are all 25, you are all kind of being told you can’t be blokes, you can’t do laddish, fun, bloke things … His was a campaign of raising awareness, his was a campaign of giving people perhaps a bit of confidence at school or whatever it was to speak up …”

It’s utterly bewildering.

Illegal imigrants don’t get benefits.
Migrants are relied upon in the UK workforce.
Poor services are due to Conservative/coalition governments continually taking money out of them over the 14 years they had responsibility ergo putting money back in would make them good. How? Tax the disgustingly have too much money for any one person people. Edited to add… and wait whilst the hard work is done - it took 14 years to bring down, it’ll take a fair few years to bring back up. If you build a Lego tower and a kid steals blocks from it multiple times so it becomes A Lego block, now that the stealing kid has gone no one would say ‘towers don’t work’ because obviously that’s not true, rebuild the tower so it is excellent again.

For anyone interested in understanding whether various party lines are true, this is a very useful resource https://fullfact.org/latest/

I don't know why he is racist but he undoubtedly is:

"Any normal and fair-minded person would have a perfect right to be concerned if a group of Romanian people suddenly moved in next door."

So right. It's the same anti establishment vote that made Brexit happen. Reform target the disenfranchised people that the two main parties have left behind. Targeting them with empty promises. Like the Brexit promises were all lies. It's a protest angry desperate vote.

The core problem that people have is that they see their communities and culture disappearing around them. Any party in theory could address the economic issues but Reform is the only one even trying to grapple with the cultural issue in and of itself.

Look at that councillor in Burnley who wants to "prevent free mixing" between Muslim men and women in public areas!

Imagine living there as a white British person - your culture isn't just what spices you put on your food. It's about your core way of life, including your view of the fundamental role of women in society. I don't think it's a coincidence that a lot of the places that just elected Reform councils also are areas where "Gaza independents" (read: Muslim ethnic bloc voting, standing for extremely conservative religious policies) also were elected. Because the people living in those areas don't want to get to 2029/onwards and have even more MPs who want to vote for segregation, radical religious fundamentalism, and their own ethnic interests.

Racism and antisemitism are not developmentally normal phases of teenage behaviour FFS.

The mental gymnastics that people are willing to do to defend or deny the existence racism in this country is truly mind boggling.

Arrivals are up 40% year on year.
But don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

And racism isn’t confined to racist abuse. There are many different forms of racism.

If a woman of a certain age isn’t offered a job because it’s assumed she may have children and take maternity leave, that’s sexist, even if there’s no direct abuse. Policies can be racist or sexist because they disproportionately impact people of certain ethnicities or women.

Plus there’s a difference between racism and anti-racism. It’s not good enough to not be racist, then to say nothing when you see racist happening. Being anti-racist means learning, challenging ourselves and others.

Calling people racist doesn't work anymore.
How are they limiting women's rights?

Did all these kids stop being racist when they grew up or are they still racist?

You talk as though it's natural for children to be racist, It isn't. I assume they must come from racist families who say racist things that the kids pick up.