To think that not speaking to your own son is not a good look for the King ?

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Don’t get me wrong I think Harry has been a bit of an entitled burk but even so I was shocked that there has not been a reconciliation between Harry and Megan and the King and Queen at least to be civil to each other .
Refusing to even speak just seems like sulking to me !
That said I don’t think Harry telling the world and washing yet more dirty laundry in public is going to help matters .

Maybe some folk will think this comment belongs in the Royal Family thread rather than AIBU but it’s more about mumsnet standards ( sulking is not good ) and whether they should apply to those in high office .

Even JFK and Krushev had a hotline after the Cuban Crisis !

None of the RF will risk talking to Harry or Meghan for fear of being recorded and appearing in the tabloids. It"s what H&M do.
You could never trust a family member who did that

I think H&M have been somewhat foolish and ill advised since leaving the UK. I don’t actually think what they wanted and advocated for in the first instance was that unreasonable.
I don’t think either of them where wrong to not be on board with the way the British media operate and I do think Meghan was treated badly (as have most women who marry into the royals). And I do think Meghan being American and not white brought out the worst of the press.
I also don’t think it’s hard to understand H&M position on the security. If there had been a plot to kidnap your young child would you not be fighting as hard as you could to get the information you needed to protect them. And if your father had the authority to provide a level of protection for your family but chooses not to - then equally would you really not resent that and be angry about it? Especially if your siblings family was provided with that security.

They are most certainly not perfect and have said and done some really ill advised things in recent years. But I’m not sure they bare sole responsibility for the situation as is now.

And there’s the Gabor Maté interview which was pay per view, from memory.

’Ongoing drug use is a fundamental part of my life’.

Here’s a link to an Australian media source, if you didn’t pay to see it.

www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/prince-harry-reveals-ongoing-drug-use-fundamental-part-of-my-life/news-story/ab9bd142c14c77ee0320a168455fbaf4?amp

Is James Hewitt his biological father?

H & M departing from being working senior members of the family, caused a ruckus I’ve no doubt…duty and all that. But if they’d quietly gone to live their lives in LA then hey good luck to them.

BUT they didn’t go quietly, they have moaned, criticised and made a good deal of money at every opportunity from their royal connection…and by the looks of it have no intention of ceasing.

Both of them need to just stop, stop the photo ops, stop advertising the galling references to so-called good works…just stop all of it!! - But will they, not a chance! What an embarrassment they have become.

He doesn't appear to be moaning in this particular interview. He is asked questions and he answers factually. It's always been evident Harry would like to reconcile with the family but they have to meet him in the middle. The royal family takes a stance and does not budge. I bet they miss him though.

A lot of assumptions op. Apart from what is actually true, you're assuming "sulking".
There's a lot of reasons why people don't talk to each other.

Let’s be fair here shall we

it was Philip that made the boys walk behind the coffin, Charles wouldntstand up to him to stop it though

They went back to boarding school because that was school, normal people wouldn’t send kids to boarding school but kids who lost parents would still go back to school at some point

I think he was prepared to try and make the marriage work, but Diana was, with doubt hard work, and as she got older got far more manipulative. She was also prepared to have affairs remember? Should he have married her, No but he did and both of them contributed to the end of the marriage

He did the best he could, remembering his own upbringing and expectations from his parents. Personally as a father he was not particularly good, but neither was he bad.

However Harry has trashed his family openly, told a myriad of proven lies alongside his wife and is incapable of understanding he chose to leave the family, so he makes his own way in the world and that includes paying his way. He gets security when he returns. Funny though how he and Meghan are happy to go to dangerous countries with no security provided, but won’t come to UK.

He made his bed he can now lie on it

Because they’re his family I’d imagine. . Even people who suffer the worst abuse possible often still want to be loved by their family. He’s a human being with thoughts and feelings and emotions.
do I think he’s going about this the right way? No. But he’s been raised his whole life that everything he does is going to be public fodder, so it’s not hard to imagine that he knows no other way.
or I could be wrong as again, I don’t know them.

I just find it fascinating how people seem so interested in them. And that they think they know what they think and will do.

So the ginger whinger sells another interview for money and for column inches. And his family is supposed to cave into that.

With someone as toxic as Harry as a family member, the rest of family are well rid.

The guy doesn’t want to speak to his dad. He just wants to freeload of him and the rest of the British public. And when he gets told no, he throws his toys out of the pram and thinks we are all naive enough to fall for the ‘oh I want to come back for a reconciliation’ nonsense. No, you want to come back to revive your pathetic public image, because the dollars are drying up.

To be honest it’s good that Scotland Yard have refused him police protection. Anything that keeps him away from this country is a plus.

@bluesinthenight Do you think that H& M are still at risk nowadays?

They were at risk when they were first married, but now that they’ve been gone for over five years, are estranged from the RF, and not major celebs in the US (I live in the US, they get little attention here), would they still be targets?

This man is still a boy full of hurt. All that moment and power and Charles couldn’t do the work or get the help to learn how to heal his family and the power of forgiveness . Not the role model we need

If you want to talk about hypocrisy and forgiveness though, look no further than Meghan’s Dad; funny how there’s no forgiveness for him, don’t you think?

Thank you! It’s staggering they are pretending to feel so hard done by when they have done exactly the same to him.

Also how they hate/laugh at the monarchy and all the pageantry and tradition that goes with it and yet were enraged their kids weren’t involved in the coronation 🤷‍♀️ if it was and is such a damaging institution why would they want their kids to have any part of it and why fight for their rights to use royal monikers - just why?

For a 40 year old man, Harry is a whiny brat. If he didn't insist on playing out family matters in public, he would get on better with them. Why would anyone want to talk to someone who would then go to the media?

If he doesn't want to be a working royal, that is fine. However, people who don't work, do not get the perks of the job or salary.

Why? Hmmmm

let me think.

If he was my son I would never speak to him again.
he sold out his brother, the brother who stood beside him throughout their grief and pain. That’s unforgivable by anyone’s standards.

Where’s the evidence that it was the government that “demanded the children be trotted out”? Have never seen that anywhere 🙄

He's talking about weed and Ayahuasca. Bit of a stretch to call him a drug addict.

People have short memories. Charles himself has wrote a book criticising the queen and Philip as parents, saying Philip was a domineering bully and he was emotionally neglected by the queen who was distant and detached and it was Nannie’s that did all the parenting. So that’s okay for him to do it but not Harry? And do you not remember the tell all interviews Charles gave?

He knows that the RF can't comment which must be incredibly annoying for them. I would be surprised if he told outright lies (but who knows?) but he could put a significant spin on things and they have no redress (other than leaking to the press).

I'm not a Royalist and haven't seen this interview, but his airing of his family's dirty laundry in public (and airing it for profit) is pretty distasteful (to me) and the fact that they are gagged by protocol isn't a good look (for him).

'It was Philip that made the boys walk behind the coffin, Charles wouldntstand up to him to stop it though.'

It absolutely was not. He was horrified by the suggestion.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prince-philip-tony-blair-alastair-campbell-princess-diana-funeral-prince-william-prince-harry-a7903186.html

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/sep/20/adamboulton.media1

Huh?
I thought this is what happened:
The Queen took the boys straight up to Balmoral on receipt of news of Lady Diana's death. People went absolutely bonkers and Tony Blair suggested to the Queen that she give the baying mob the flesh they were after and put the boys on display in London or there might be a constitutional crisis.
Have I just made up that version of events? I've never seen any of the fictionalisations of that time, neither The Crown or The Queen, nor the Lady Di film. That's my memory - the tabloids were crazy with demands the boys be brought back down to London.
Maybe it's like the Berentsein Bears thing and I've just reinvented the past.

At this point it seems like Harry is using every tactic in the book to try to destroy his father.

Harry is a nasty piece of work, who lies for a living, it would be hard for anyone to maintain a relationship with him.

I wouldn't trust him or talk to him, either. He could be wearing a microphone for Netflix or taking notes for his next book.

Harry did this to himself.

Khrushchev and Kennedy had a functional and professional reason to keep an open line of communication. Does it really matter to anyone outside the RF whether Charles and Harry WhatsApp each other or not? To paraphrase Trump (sorry), Harry doesn't have any cards.