To think that not speaking to your own son is not a good look for the King ?

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Don’t get me wrong I think Harry has been a bit of an entitled burk but even so I was shocked that there has not been a reconciliation between Harry and Megan and the King and Queen at least to be civil to each other .
Refusing to even speak just seems like sulking to me !
That said I don’t think Harry telling the world and washing yet more dirty laundry in public is going to help matters .

Maybe some folk will think this comment belongs in the Royal Family thread rather than AIBU but it’s more about mumsnet standards ( sulking is not good ) and whether they should apply to those in high office .

Even JFK and Krushev had a hotline after the Cuban Crisis !

No
Makes the king seem more normal
Many many families have one child causing problems
Harry is a spoilt child who never grew up
Sick of his winge winge winge personality
He's irrelevant now

This

I agree, I also think he’s wrong to stand in the way of protection for Harry. Completely wrong. It does sound like a stitch up and the king has chosen keeping his public happy over his son.

Harry lost his mother to crappy security and is living a life as an exile like her. I can see why security matters so much. I just can’t believe any father would risk his son and grandchildren like this. Liz Truss will get more security than him!

Harry had a shitty childhood, lost his mother at such a young age and gave service. He does deserve better than this and I think the king should grow some balls and be a dad- not just to his heir. He chose to have 2 children and as such knew he was taking on a child who would not be an heir. You parent all your children and all their circumstances, and should be there to swim alongside when mistakes are made. Let’s face it King Charles has made many himself. Not speaking to him is childish,shows a choosing of country over child and is subjecting somebody who lost one parent at a young age to the loss of another which is just cruel. I like the king and don’t think he has had it easy himself however I don’t think he is setting a great example on parenting with Harry.

The protection is not the King's to give or deny its ravec

Diana was never in exile she was in Paris with her latest boyfriend enjoying her life her choice to refuse the security her choice to not wear a seatbelt

If Charles isn't talking to his son he will have good reason we can all speculate

Precisely.
Some of the bullshit on here demonstrates how much some MNers refuse to hear the truth- rather like Harry I guess!

The royal household is far too involved in the decision making re security. Princess Diana’s security let her get in a car with a drunk driver.

No sorry, parents don’t act like kids and send their children to Coventry. It’s spineless and childish. You have discussions and move forward.

So Harry has never sent them birthday cards out Xmas cards. He is a sweet little boy but not the man

I don't believe much of what Harry says after he claimed in his book that he lost his virginity to an older woman - she was 19

Technically she was an adult but still a teenager and hardly an 'older woman', implying predatory behaviour with a 16 year-old.

How can the king speak to Harry when there's every expectation that there's zero confidentiality and misinterpretation? Once trust is gone, it's gone.

Going public about it is the last thing Harry should do.

I wonder how he likes earning his living?

I wouldn’t talk to a family member if they had form for repeating conversations (likely with a ‘creative spin’ and thinly veiled insinuation) to Netflix and their favoured Hollywood interviewer/pal of the day.

How is Diana's security the palaces fault? They could not force her to keep her security she thought they were spying on her

One former member of the royal household is on the panel ONE and it's not in their best interests for harry to die quite the opposite in fact the press turned on diana before her death then they made her a saint can you imagine how much they would castigate the royals if harry died or got injured

The royals are a private family that cannot work when you have someone throwing tantrums left and right and telling the press everything that is said behind closed doors harry is a grown up he needs to act like it

How can he talk to him when he can't trust it won't be used in his latest documentary,?
Harry mentioned in an interview yesterday he didn't know how long his dad has left. Could be a flippant comment at he's getting on but at his dad has cancer some will jump on that its a sign he's much iller then we know. He needs to be careful with what he says, something he hasn't mastered.

he probably does but not often.

anyway, it’s berk

Harry has purposely confused the reality of his security situation when he is in the UK.

He and his family get British personal protection officers whenever he is in the UK. They cooperate and work in tandem with Harry and Meghans own personal bodyguards. .

What he doesn’t get is a 24/7 team of armed British personal security protection officers twiddling their thumbs waiting until Harry decides to hop on the next flight at a whim to have a boys night out with his buddies. This is what he wants.

He also wants this to lead to being given round the clock British personal protection, no matter where in the world he is, like he had in Canada. 6 teams of British personal protection officers, assigned to them by the government, flying back and forth across the Atlantic on a rota, at the taxpayers expense. (Some of them complained they were regularly sent to do menial personal errands for Harry and Meghan.)

In his latest role as a non working member of the royal family, he has to give 21 days notice to announce he is coming, whether that be a boys night out or whatever else he wants to do, to allow the correct security be put in place, sometimes that may be the armed security he wants and other times it may not be personal armed protection, it all depends on the risk assessment of the experts.

Harry, as we know, lies through his teeth, he did it again in that BBC interview.

Charles has nothing to do with it.

See I remember this differently.
I remember that the RF wanted to hunker down in Balmoral after the news broke, and look after W and H. It was the public’s ghoulish and frankly hysterical demands that made them come down to London before they were ready.
subsequent interviews have confirmed that neither W nor H were forced to walk behind the coffin. In fact they said they wanted to, and PP said he would walk with them.

the whole boarding school thing - while i wouldn’t want to pack my children off to boarding school at 8/9/10 whenever it was they went, that was totally normal for the class they were born into.
not saying it’s right, but it was not unique to Charles, doing that.

⬆️ 100%. At last, a bit of sanity.

when I read threads like this I really do worry about the lack of critical thinking or research ability of some other users. The facts (the real ones, not the ones Harry makes up😆!) are that the King has no control over Harry’s security arrangements and has no influence on them - that is down to RAVEC. As for the ‘he’s not speaking to me’ I probably wouldn’t converse regularly with someone who had already lied (proven to have done so!) about me & my wider family in print and other media. Harry needs to seriously grow up - the man is over 40 and behaving less maturely than most 5 year olds!

It was the story surrounding the QM's death that was the standout for me.

His version of events was that he was at Eton when he was told, and it was an equerry that phoned him, not Pa. Very sad, poor boy.

But what's that you say.... there are newspaper reports from that very day showing him, Wills and Pa skiing? And newspaper reports showing them all returning home from their skiing trip as the trip was then cut short. Surely not.....

I can get that people have differing memories of conversations, and even events themselves, it happens all the time, it's very common. But to get something so completely wrong, when it was very easy to fact check, makes me not believe a word that comes out of his mouth. Which is a great shame as I used to rate him quite highly, pre-Oprah.

And can you just imagine the harassment Harry put his father under, every phone call or meeting, constant haranguing, insults and emotional blackmail , to try to force him to do something he cannot legally do.

I actually admire Charles for going no contact with Harry, that must have been painful for him, but clearly the right decision.

I must say likeness is very subjective because I can't see any likeness at all with Philip but think he's been absolutely identical to Hewitt at times of his life.
Take away the hair and it's the same.

That said I have no opinion on his parentage, the likeness with Hewitt is probably just very unlucky.

Not a big Royal fan but I dont think privilege lessens trauma.
Harry’s trauma was also unique. You couldnt go on an online support group and look for help because its pretty identifying or find validation for his feeling by finding examplesof people who have gone through the same and seeing how they are coping. I also think many people could identify with him - even with the best and most expensive psychological help he will feel v alone. Im not surprised he has started to behave this way after having kids. Perhaps seeing them grow up has made him more aware of his vulnerability as a child and angry at those who failed to protect him.

No-one can truly be surprised the kings emotional intelligence is so lacking, except I think Harry whose judgement is clouded by all this personal long term hurt and trauma playing out in public across his entire life. People are so harsh about how he airs things in public, but the royal family has thrust him in the public eye literally since the day he was born so seems a bit rich to complain about him for that. It's really sad to see how this split has only grown and with all they've all gone through, could they not all find a way to achieve unity and come together. It doesn't speak much to the royal family's prowess as diplomats or a unifying force for the country if they can't all put their pride aside and reconcile. It's also clear that Harry is stuck and can't move past it & is growing increasingly volatile. It's very sad for Harry's kids. They should all cop on and just get together and clear the air.

I don’t think it’s reasonable to do things you know will cause your family huge public embarrassment and issues, and then turn around and act bewildered why they don’t want to associate with you anymore. You don’t get to do something bad to someone and then play the victim saying “I’d love to make up, life is too short”.

I actually didn’t think Harry and Meghan were unreasonable to do their initial interview. It sounds like they were treated badly by the royal family and if they want to break away over it then that’s fair. I respect someone who risks walking away from a cushy life over their principles.

But their insistence on this “half in- half out, there shouldn’t be consequences for our actions” nonsense they’ve been doing ever since has changed my opinion of them.

Yeah, I wouldn't want to talk to Harry either.

You're only hearing one side of the story remember.