To think that not speaking to your own son is not a good look for the King ?

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Don’t get me wrong I think Harry has been a bit of an entitled burk but even so I was shocked that there has not been a reconciliation between Harry and Megan and the King and Queen at least to be civil to each other .
Refusing to even speak just seems like sulking to me !
That said I don’t think Harry telling the world and washing yet more dirty laundry in public is going to help matters .

Maybe some folk will think this comment belongs in the Royal Family thread rather than AIBU but it’s more about mumsnet standards ( sulking is not good ) and whether they should apply to those in high office .

Even JFK and Krushev had a hotline after the Cuban Crisis !

And as a republican I’d note that Harry’s main ire is reserved for the suits who surround the institution, not the family itself. He describes William and Charles as trapped . There is an argument for getting rid of the monarchy to free the individuals currently acting as ‘royals’
Louis will be next to be the spare thrown to the press to make the heir look better.
I agree with this, but I suspect Harry is delusional when he describes Charles and William as 'trapped'. The job of the Royal Courtiers is to fall on their swords whenever the Royals fuck up, as we have seen with Charles and his plastic bags f cash and Andrew with his interview. they are not poor innocents, just sitting in their gilded cage,not knowing whats going on because the big baddie staff that they employ are keeping them from doing what they want. Charles and William know that to keep the whole shebang on the road, you have to shut up and toe the line, because The Windsors keeping hold of the Monarchy is more important than anything else. They want this. They don't want to be tenant farmers or whatever (well they don't want to have to live on a tenant farmers earnings, or pay any bills or clean their own houses or put their own clothes on) Its why they do everything they do-the day or two of charity work charity work, the huge PR machine, everything. The'spares' should put up with it because as a consequence, they get to live in the lap of luxury being given handouts for the rest of their lives by their parent/brother/nephew/cousin until they die.

So he was embarrassed by his mothers affairs, but he's happily forgiven the woman who made his mothers life a misery?

How could Harry cause the Monarchy to collapse?

You really are taking my comment too seriously 😂

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Alot of people say this about the funeral but. I don’t think anyone forced Harry to walk behind his mother’s cortège. He is supposed to have been traumatised by doing so but imagine the guilt he would later have felt if he hadn’t done so. It’s not the walking behind the coffin that did the damage it is losing his mother.
I also think Charles has been an excellent father to those two boys in difficult circumstances.
We should remember that both boys lost their mother, both walked behind her coffin but only one of them turned out like Harry.

Completely agree. He is obviously a cold hearted person
What a shame the boys lost their beautiful, loving mother and not him.

Because William is probably more cold hearted than Harry, just like his father. He probably suppresses his feelings also, unlike Harry who wears his heart on his sleeve. I have two brothers like this. Chalk and cheese. And you are insinuating that Harry is a bad person because he hasn't conformed. Disgusting and bitter response. Have you ever thought about the poor little boy he was, and everything he has been through . Show a little empathy fgs 😔

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Prince Philip walked in procession behind his sister Cecile’s coffin at her very public funeral when he was a teenager. He was glad he did so and that is why he walked with his grandsons to help them through it.
Having invoked the wrath of the nation by remaining at Balmoral with her grieving grandsons instead of immediately parading down to London, I don’t think the Queen would have allowed them to then just be thrown unwillingly in front of the crowds. They did it for their Mum, with their father, uncle and grandfather by their sides.

It's like any family, don't shit on your own doorstep. If you slag off your own family then sometimes there is no way back. Charles is not great but Harry is a very complex person I think.

It’s a family, and family disputes are very common, when trust is broken down it very hard to come back from. Personally I don’t blame the King for distancing himself.

Can you imagine the temper tantrums now if Harry had not been allowed to walk behind his mother but William was ?

Regarding the funeral and Diana’s death- the Queen kept the children in Balmoral shielded from the press. The public and tabloids went crazy. I remember commenting to DH how ghoulish it was and that people wouldn’t be happy until they saw the tear stained cheeks and blood shot eyes of two boys who had lost their mum. I felt really sorry for the Queen and how she was treated. And then those idiots crying at the boys as they handed them flowers outside BP. They wanted the children to be props in their performative grief. It was the public who wanted the coffin walk.

Totally agree and his neices / nephews were killed too. It must have been absolutely heartbreaking. Ok it probably wasn't live TV but ...

It totally puts a different light on it. And Fair Play to Philip for going out to support the W&H because that must have brought back those memories of his sister, husband and the children.

And yes both boys needed to make their own decision and yes Harry would have regretted not walking.

Op I agree and to be honest I don't think Charles has been a good dad at all and he himself wrote a book about it didn't he!! People conveniently forgot or don't realise he wrote a book about his life and his mean daddy.

The marriage to Diana /camilla waiting in the wings all of it was atrocious toxic situation to bring any child into!!
The divorce sounded awful and that's before Diana's beyond tragic death.
William has also had issues with Charles but he's in a very different position to Harry and he met Kate earlier on with her ready made secure solid family which William will have benefited from
Harry has never had that and later on he had Megan and Doria.

Having said that I do understand how Charles would be very cautious about talking to Harry with this constant talking to the media but if they did speak and Charles apologised and said nice things then what's to fear.

They could get the relationship back on track and then as security ask Harry and Megan to sign ndas.

Overall I think Charles should be doing all he can to repair this utter mess that Charles camilla and Diana in the firm all created.

He is indeed but I have not read of him slagging off his family. The system yes, the 'firm' as a whole but certainly not his father about whom he spoke very warmly indeed.

William called his mother paranoid , he added to the narrative that Charles and Camilla propagate that Diana was ‘crazy’
He's a disgrace

She was paranoid, the Bashir interview where they faked documents made it worse she destroyed the boys nanny socially and emotionally wreaked havoc through people lives rejected her security that might have kept her safe ran a public humiliation campaign against her ex husband that her own children were caught up in she behaved badly publicly

I'm not saying Charles was better just that Diana's mental health issues were very public and very real

@LBFseBrom
I have read ‘Spare’ and I agree that Harry was very kind to Charles . I thought perhaps Harry still had hope that things would be righted
He knew his security had been pulled and his location revealed but maybe he still believed if his father knew , he’d do something .

Now he knows that his father could have intervened with RAVEC to help protect Harrys young family , but he didnt .
They know Harry won’t come to the UK with his family without protection .The Windsors don’t like the competition which is how this whole issue started!

And no, before someone starts, having to apply 28 days in advance and have each application considered individually means Harry does NOT have security.
Harry is only given full security if invited by the Windsors. Let’s see how that goes.

Calling Harry’s treatment re security ‘bespoke’ is spin . It’s designed to echo luxury and special treatment. But in reality it means being singled out .

@Theunamedcat
I don’t doubt that Diana was under great strain. It seems that many of the married in women end up ‘strained’ esp if they are more popular than the Windsors.

Reading some of these posts , I do wonder about the comprehension skills of some people!

Don't forget Harry had two long term girlfriends before Meghan.

Harry was also very close to W&K before he met Meghan.

Define what makes a "Good Dad" those children wanted for nothing. And what you see in front of the cameras isn't always what goes on behind closed doors.
At the Queens jubilee celebrations, Louis on Charles knee, showed a much more hands on Charles than we would normally see.

Have you read spare ?

It implies that W and H were not at all as close as the PR portrayed
Harry was ‘best man’ at W wedding for the cameras but not in reality for example

@Needspaceforlego

And re the Windsor children - they may well ‘want for nothing’ in terms of material goods but they are sold to PR from the day they are born .
They have no agency and are used as PR props whether they like it or not .
They are used to build a parasocial relationship with those who follow the Windsors . As they get older the ‘spares’ are used and abused as needed to prop up the heir at all costs - never a bad story about the heir but always a story about the ‘wild’ spare or the ‘no nonsense’ spare ( ie often rude) as needed .

This was all the Windsors doing . There is no requirement for this use of the children but it was needed in order to bolster support in the mid twentieth century as populations grew wiser to the royalty game