Reform winning big

[Keirawr]

Reform had a good night, winning county councils, probably will win a mayoral seat and won the parliamentary by election also.

You don’t have to be a Reform voter to acknowledge that they are taking votes off Labour. Or that they are being electorally effective.

No doubt the ‘basket of deplorables’ crowd will be along in a min with their usual quips calling reform voters names, having learned absolutely 0 from Brexit. Insult the voters at your peril.

These same people also totally miss the point that winning is winning. Feeling all moral and superior about ‘oh well, what will they actually do’ changes nothing.

Perhaps those who label everyone that wants immigration limiting as ‘racist’ Will think again. But likely not.

Yes, not only incorrect grammar but a use of double negatives. Hardly a reflection of intelligence.

Or just don't do it? Makes you sound like a primary school child!

Surely the anarchist in you wouldn’t be engaging with any state systems which reinforce hierarchical power structures ;)

Oh dear, another disgruntled Labour supporter.

Reform are doing well in many areas of Devon (still lots to be announced).

Starmer needs to go after this. Labour need to clamp down on immigration - the main issue driving people to Reform. He needs to do something to ensure that people coming to the UK (and already here) are integrating fully into UK culture.

Not at all! I don't vote Labour, I just don't like pathetic name calling

It was a valid comparison of Reform's proposals to allow women/mothers to stay at home with policies of extreme right wing parties from the past.

Nazi Germany made women and mothers a priority in their political rhetoric. Many women supported the National Socialist Party because it urged returning to the family values of the past when women were encouraged to stay at home and concern themselves with taking care of the household.

I think we need change desperately. People are angry and fed up.
But that still wouldn’t make me vote Reform, this will be a disaster - especially for climate change.

Oh it definitely is the least of Labour's worries, but making up ridiculous names and spelling them incorrectly isn't evidence of a constructive and rational rebuttal of Labour's policies.

I can't imagine why anyone would vote for Jenkyns.

I know of someone who didn't vote in the Runcorn by election because the Labour candidate was fat and her clothes looked cheap. 😡

Don't like name calling but happy to indulge in name calling yourself. Okay then, good to know where you stand OldieButBaddie.

Especially if you not only reduce the tax take from women not working but create enormous job vacancies in the care, retail and hospitality sector (where many low paid women are) not to mention the 50% of GP's who are women and over 70% of teachers and teaching staff who are women. Its all fine and dandy being a SAHM and voting for extra money so more people can do it, but who's going to be standing in front of a classroom to teach your kids or see them down the doctors surgery? The Menz? Why aren't they doing it now then, when there are huge labour shortages already? If you want to be a SAHM, budget for it out of your own family income. Its your decision.

You won't be satisfied until you fuck up the country. BREXIT was not enough you want to go deeper until there are no immigrants. Since Brexit more immigrants have come to this country not less. I had a random conversation with a woman and I was telling her we are selling up and moving she thought I was leaving the country. A lot of people have imigrated since Brexit to live a better life. People were happy before Brexit the country was stable. I can't tell you who you should or shouldn't vote for. There is an old saying "Who don't hear, must feel".

All the man has to do is open mouth grin and hold a pint of beer and you're all wetting yourselves.
he has no policies.

Magic

She was correcting the OP

Nor was it meant to be a rebuttal. I was simply saying that I don't understand how anyone can see what Two Tier Keir stands for (or doesn't stand for as the man has no principles) and still vote Labour.

It's only of interest for Labour supporters desperate to deflect. Today is yet another humiliation for Keir Starmer and one that will significantly increase the likelihood of a leadership challenge in the coming months.

UK today

Immigration went UP after Brexit as have the number of 'aslyum seekers' (most are not geniune aslyum seekers)

If Labour sort mass immigration, then Reform would quickly lost votes.

Please Labour, sort it out.

I agree although I’m not sure on leadership. He and Reeves both seem stuck on using excuses and deflecting. I guess we’ll see.

Yeah well I don't think that a man who pocketed a salary and pension for a job he barely ever showed up for is a paragon of principles either... but hey, looks like a mate from down the pub so must be a good'un.
And what was that about sovereignty again? Defined by the highest bidder I suppose...

As a voter from the mid-70's, I suspect that you aren't, because you don't understand the basis of "old Labour". I would by no means support all (or even most) of their views even back then (and pretty much none of them now). But, for example
(a) they were definitely not against equal pay - it was in their manifesto from the mid-1960's and the Equak Pay Act was passed under a Labour government
and
(b) They were not against shutting down the mines - in fact their deafening silence under Thatcher demonstrated their position succintly - but the opposition against pit closures had absolutely nothing to do with fighting to retain fossil fuels. Find me an ex-miner who themselves thought fossil fuels were a good thing or had a long term future and I'll find you 500 to match them with the opposite views. I live in a former mining village. What they were opposed to was transferring Britains reliance on British coal to relying on imported coal; the destruction of jobs and communities with no alternatives; and the attack on the working class / unions.

Ok so what are you going to do to change the narrative then? Farmers have just seen the inheiritance attack on their properties by Labour and hear that Reform will remove it and support them.? dismissing them all as turkeys voting for christmas changes absolutely nothing.

And that's fine by me. We're all entitled to an opinion.

"As a brown person I feel slightly nauseous this morning."
The Reform Chairman is a brown person.