Reform winning big

[Keirawr]

Reform had a good night, winning county councils, probably will win a mayoral seat and won the parliamentary by election also.

You don’t have to be a Reform voter to acknowledge that they are taking votes off Labour. Or that they are being electorally effective.

No doubt the ‘basket of deplorables’ crowd will be along in a min with their usual quips calling reform voters names, having learned absolutely 0 from Brexit. Insult the voters at your peril.

These same people also totally miss the point that winning is winning. Feeling all moral and superior about ‘oh well, what will they actually do’ changes nothing.

Perhaps those who label everyone that wants immigration limiting as ‘racist’ Will think again. But likely not.

Yes, I know but it still remains that thew Conservatives are getting more of a kicking so far, in these elections.

Is it emoji time? It’s only early.

I know people want Labour to be seen as not impacted, but they will be.

Not even that poster was grammatically correct read her response. My whole post would need changing for it to make sense. I know some people struggle at least correct me properly. Her emotions got the better of her.

I’m thinking bring it on. In 4 years time if things are still that bad let’s give them a chance to mess things up (which they will definitely do). The UK can get a taste of trumpian policies once and for all. See how that goes.

Anyone would think that she had been in the electoral wilderness for years, instead of being a Minister in a Conservative Government that had been in power for 14 years. It's always the underdog rhetoric with people like her, who have actually been part of the establishment for decades. Her Government was in charge of immigration for 14 years but she has completely distanced herself from this. What a hypocrite.

The concept of farmers voting for Reform aka Farage is an interesting one, given how he fucked them over with Brexit. Loss of £3.5bn annually in EU farming subsidies (CAP) which have never been replaced with any post-Brexit funding initiatives.

Turkeys voting for Christmas.

Now where have we seen all this before……

ia803206.us.archive.org/33/items/ten-points-of-fascism-oswald-mosley/Ten%20Points%20of%20Fascism%20-%20Oswald%20Mosley.pdf

I am happy to answer your questions if you answer mine first.

Yes.

Though pretty sure last election Tory's lost as many votes to Lid dems as they did Reform.

Labour been in power 20+ years here - and they are in control of health and education nether of which is doing that great - though mentioning that on here during election time tended to get shouted down by same posters and excuses found.

Mind-blowing sexist contempt for someone who really offered a nuanced and informed opinion.

Being progressive and antiracist, it’s not parroting slogans and theories in the comfort of your own home and attending marches and feeling all virtuous, it’s, when you are challenged or in a conflict, to resist the urge to resort to racist and sexist tropes to try to take the advantage or to make yourself feel better. Yours is really just a veneer. Lots of hatred in the Left, voters feel it.

Why can’t this be pointed out ? The reason the country is in such a mess is because of Brexit which was Farage’s obsession. Labour should really make this a talking point rather than trying to placate Leavers who are fixated on Reform. They need to fight dirty like the Tories did.

So many learning absolutely nothing from the USA either eh? 🙄

Yes. I live in the constituency where the lady referred to is a councillor. (At the moment anyway, the results for that ward are not in). She has lived locally for many, many and is a very active councillor and has always fought for her constituents.

Equally @lavenderlou,i can't believe people see what a flip-flopper Two Tier Kier No Principles Here is and still vote Labour 🤷

I felt the same about Labour winning the GE. Going well isn't it?!

If they can survive losing £3.5 billion after exiting the EU, why the hell was the EU (us) paying them that much money in the first place ?

Makes you wonder who the turkeys actually are. The farmers ? Or everyone else that voted to be a member of the EU ?

Thanks @LoremIpsumCici
Another point perhaps worth making is that politicians lie all the time. They can put various intentions in their manifestos and then do something different if they do get voted into office. Trust in the political class has plummeted.

If you are going to indulge in childish name calling, at least spell Starmer's name correctly.

I've lived in Scotland since 1991. When I first moved here the SNP were a 'fringe movement' and not taken seriously. I've had nearly 20 years under the SNP. They may not have had the experience but they've had long enough (repeatedly voted back in because of Nationalism and the appalling choice of who else to vote for) to trash education, trash the NHS, trash the economy etc.
Reform can do a massive amount of damage, just like Trump is, that will take decades to undo. It's very worrying.

@NorfolkandBad, the reason they won't do a grooming gang enquiry is because they did one already. It's called the Jay Report (2022).

https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/inquiry/final-report.html

Happy to help

The correct grammar is "if you were to go on FB" not "if you was to go on FB". I'm not sure why you keep talking about restructuring the sentence. Incidentally, to the poster you are replying to, it's also rude and bad manners to call people thick. More ironic, when you apply incorrect grammar whilst calling people thick. I'm not emotive at all; I don't believe I'm triggered by election results.

Labour should really make this a talking point rather than trying to placate Leavers who are fixated on Reform.

I've seen Rory Stewart postulate this is due to Labour fixation of few red wall voters but I agree with you - at least point out the bloody problems rather than concede the ground completely.

However some of the far left also dislike the EU - so perhaps it's trying to keep both far left and reform voters on side and avoid internal schisms while quietly trying to get on better with EU.

I do wonder whether Reform seem, in some ways similar to the 'old' Labour Party of the 1960's, 70's and 80's. They were very old school traditionalists then, anti Europe, anti immigration ( based on European Union being a capitalist construct) anti immigration being something that takes away British jobs, they were against equal pay for women or any equality for women at all, because of the impact on the working man again, fighting for the retention of fossil fuels and against shutting down of coal mines etc. This 'new' middle class Labour Party is a pretty new construct. Reform are even talking about Leftist ideas like Nationalisation of industry. I know they are run by Millionaires for Millionaires, but the way they talk appeals to the type of people who would be in the traditionally Labour areas who would have voted in the past for the Labour of the 60's and 70's.

I slightly agree, but the carnage would awful for everyone except the wealthy. And people would still blame it all on immigration, I expect.

Or maybe it wouldn't be carnage. Maybe it would be all sun-lit uplands as was promised with Brexit.🙄

lol. People spelling Stammers name correctly is the least of Labour's worries.