Reform winning big

[Keirawr]

Reform had a good night, winning county councils, probably will win a mayoral seat and won the parliamentary by election also.

You don’t have to be a Reform voter to acknowledge that they are taking votes off Labour. Or that they are being electorally effective.

No doubt the ‘basket of deplorables’ crowd will be along in a min with their usual quips calling reform voters names, having learned absolutely 0 from Brexit. Insult the voters at your peril.

These same people also totally miss the point that winning is winning. Feeling all moral and superior about ‘oh well, what will they actually do’ changes nothing.

Perhaps those who label everyone that wants immigration limiting as ‘racist’ Will think again. But likely not.

Farage is an admirer of Trump. And Trump is a Fascist.

Well said.

And a spectacularly self-defeating point of view also.

Bozza surprised me when he had the chance to bring back a touch of Thatcherism. I agree the Tories are lost. Its no wonder me and others decided to uproot. I shall consider returning when Nigel's long term plan works.

Shouldn't that be "Reform winning bigley"?

Sorry, but I couldn't support a Trump supporter. It shows a distinct lack of intelligence and character.

lol, ok then - enlighten me on your definition

If many people voted Brexit, especially those who lived in deprived areas, because they were pissed off with what they were getting from main parties, what have they gained from Brexit? What do voters think they are going to achieve from voting Reform?

If they don't like the power crazy, sleazy, out for themselves politicians of the main parties what the hell are they doing voting for Farage?

Definitely not that. There’s plenty of posters on here who self declare as lefties and are pro Starmer. There’s a long running thread with those who do both.

..and now we get back to the questioning of intelligence. It's (almost) as lazy an assumption as the racist one. Nuance? What nuance?

I read that the UK statistics regulator had a 'conversation' with Starmer quite recently about his misuse of deportation statistics. And police didn't investigate his meeting with a voice coach during Covid because the alleged incident came to light outside the three-year deadline for initiating proceedings.

Labour cooking the books? Fancy that. The party whose voters trash the Tories and Reform for mere soundbiting and no action?

What a disingenuous and oh so predictable post. OP you are deliberately goady and disrespectful and then try to present some idiotic Gotcha scenario.

We are sleepwalking into an ultra right wing govt. too many people on this forum and many others talk about Reform voters as if they are some unintelligent sub human group when they arent. they are ordinary people living in towns and cities in the UK. Some will be highly educated and articulate and some wont be. EXACTLY the same as conservative, labour, green and any other parties voters. Just dismissing this party as fascist, nutters, trump lovers etc will not stop the march towards a very right wing govt. All of us need to start listening to their narrative. what are the issues most people want solved? why are Reform policies resonating with them so much? how can we demonstrate that some of their ideas around the NHS for example are great if you are rich but awful if you are poor or long term sick?

All this name calling and dismissing their views by many on this forum has got you precisely nowhere in halting the rise of the right so for goodness sake change the narrative, take it seriously, have serious conversations, challenge etc. Look at what happened in America. Too many people didnt take Trump seriously "oh he will never win again, people arent that stupid to fall for his rhetoric, the people who voted for him are idiots/fascists whatever" and look what happened?

Which thread?

If you're at rock bottom and the mainstream parties are pissing away money on stuff that doesn't benefit you, whilst making your life harder. What is the advantage of NOT voting reform? Who at least pretend to listen to you, and will at least pretend to represent you which is a step up from the other parties. At least it's a change.

A protest vote, even if it doesn't achieve anything concrete, can achieve your voice being heard. Even if it only makes the other parties turn up in the areas where these people live, that's a win.

Even if it only punctures the ubiquitous liberal narrative (as Brexit did) which bears no relation to many lives in the UK, and shows how out of touch the media is and perhaps leads to other people questioning whether or not they're talking out of their arse/ lying in general, that's a win.

What about Nigel @Clavinova do you love him despite his faults too?

I can attest to that.

I don't love Nigel - I don't dislike him though.

I think voting for Reform is a message that people are not OK with the status quo That they're not ok with the lack of accountability and misuse of public money of the managerial classes. Getting that message out alone is a big win.

I'm sort of convincing myself that I should have voted Reform now..... 😂

Exactky, literally every single new mp has never been am mp before!

Yes some might be local councillors or have even worked for an mp in some capacity but there are many who have only worked in a completely different sector and have to learn the ropes.

As a Labour voter and big fan of Starmer I’m delighted to see Reform continuing to split the right wing vote.

It’s good someone from Labour is delighted today.

Although the vote split might be more last GE than next.

The absolute irony of calling someone else illiterate when you clearly don't know what it means 🙄

Saying something slightly grammatically wrong isn't the same as being unable to read or write, and tbh I don't think what OP said was even "wrong", just colloquial.

Hear hear. Bloody well said!

I think she meant to say “Reform is winning bigly”

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