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Demonic Possession

249 replies

scorpiogirly · 01/05/2025 13:16

Do you believe?

I've been watching a lot of podcasts on YouTube lately with exorcist from the church.

I'm torn. Do you believe?

OP posts:
Littledidsheknow · 01/05/2025 20:52

ketchuporbrownsauce · 01/05/2025 20:04

That's an idea - sounds more plausable - but the voice I heard in my dream was terrifying - why do our bodies do this to us 😔

I’m sometimes woken up by a phantom dog barking or other innocuous imagined sound, but last weekend woke up in terror when it was a “demon”. I could actually “feel” it pulling and clawing me as I was waking up.
Horrible, but just one of those sleep related things: sleep paralysis or hypnopompic/hypnogogic hallucinations.

When my daughter was ill once, she had the sleep paralysis “demon” in her room all night, mocking and threatening and prowling while she was awake - or thought she was. It went on for hours. She was so upset by this she took time off work and flew back home the next day (lived in Germany at the time)!
Thank god she’s a scientist and familiar with sleep disruptions, and didn’t run off to some priest to seek an “exorcism” or smudging or whatever.

Sleep paralysis and sleep related hallucinations, incubi, would likely have been ascribed to “demons” in less enlightened times.

https://www.sleep.com/sleep-health/sleep-paralysis-demon

Littledidsheknow · 01/05/2025 20:53

Jetsettermum · 01/05/2025 20:18

Psychs don’t treat demons.

Yes they do!

EvolvedAlready · 01/05/2025 20:59

Abbycarry2211 · 01/05/2025 13:58

Yes i definitely believe in negative energies lingering around places. I went to visit ancient ruins in mexico. The tour guide told us that a lot of dark things had happened on that site, including a lot of sacrifices.

After i went there i felt like a negative energy had attached itself to me. I felt darker and more violent. I looked different aswell. I came home and people said to me that id really changed for the worse. My mum even said to me "sometimes i feel like im not talking to you at all, its like talking to a demon"

I had to do a lot of energy cleansing techniques that i found online. I still dont feel a hundred percent myself. Im nastier and crueller than i used to be. But it doesnt feel like my energy, it feels like ive had a bath in negative energy and that negative energy is all around my body. And that energy is influencing me. I still feel like something could be attached to me.

I need to try more energy cleansing. Its definitelty taught me to be more careful where i visit.

Edited

I know someone who can help you, online even, drop a DM if you want me to send you the info. This is wild, but I totally believe you.

Naunet · 01/05/2025 21:04

Abbycarry2211 · 01/05/2025 17:16

@PrimitivePerson
Yeah the western health system is very "science and drugs." If that suits you , great. Its good for many people.

I personally prefer the eastern health systems.

Which focus more on energy. Like reiki, tai chi, ayurveda, yoga etc. I think that they are very interesting.

Edited

I have been given the 'abilty' to perform Reki by a Reki master, I can tell you, I still think it's a load of bollocks!

What I would say though, is that it doesn't really matter because even if it is all rubbish, the placebo effect is incredibly powerful. In one experiment, people with arthritis in the knee were given fake operations, and they reported BETTER results than the group who had the real surgery, and it was a lasting impact. So there you go, a mix of science and belief.

SnowFrogJelly · 01/05/2025 21:07

scorpiogirly · 01/05/2025 13:16

Do you believe?

I've been watching a lot of podcasts on YouTube lately with exorcist from the church.

I'm torn. Do you believe?

😂

Firefly1987 · 01/05/2025 21:16

Littledidsheknow · 01/05/2025 20:52

I’m sometimes woken up by a phantom dog barking or other innocuous imagined sound, but last weekend woke up in terror when it was a “demon”. I could actually “feel” it pulling and clawing me as I was waking up.
Horrible, but just one of those sleep related things: sleep paralysis or hypnopompic/hypnogogic hallucinations.

When my daughter was ill once, she had the sleep paralysis “demon” in her room all night, mocking and threatening and prowling while she was awake - or thought she was. It went on for hours. She was so upset by this she took time off work and flew back home the next day (lived in Germany at the time)!
Thank god she’s a scientist and familiar with sleep disruptions, and didn’t run off to some priest to seek an “exorcism” or smudging or whatever.

Sleep paralysis and sleep related hallucinations, incubi, would likely have been ascribed to “demons” in less enlightened times.

https://www.sleep.com/sleep-health/sleep-paralysis-demon

Aliens are often a common theme as well. Probably explains a lot of "alien abductions"! I remember as a kid feeling a presence in the room during sleep paralysis, and that felt alien. I've never had the one where it's sitting on my chest though, thank god. Perhaps it's because I don't fear any of this stuff when asleep. I remember during a very stressful period I kept hearing the doorbell go off which would wake me up (because I was expecting someone to call) but it wasn't real.

EvolvedAlready · 01/05/2025 21:18

ketchuporbrownsauce · 01/05/2025 14:28

I have a recurring nightmare that there is a demon in my home, it talks to me, but I cannot see it, and it plays tricks on me - the last of these was only 2 days ago when I woke up shouting.
I am a normal sane mum, not sleep deprived or on any meds, it just feels so real when it happens - not sure if I'm being haunted or it's just 'one of those things' which will eventually fade away - but thinking of his voice makes me go cold.

I know - there will be an explanation to this - but it's really sinister

Every night before you go bed. Say aloud “i want a full and restful sleep tonight, please let me sleep” or something similar. See does that help? (I find asking for a restful sleep helps rid me of my sinister dreams).

Littledidsheknow · 01/05/2025 21:19

@Firefly1987 I had never thought about alien abductions being explained by sleep disturbance before! I think you’re right.

TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 01/05/2025 21:21

Jetsettermum · 01/05/2025 20:18

Psychs don’t treat demons.

Why? Demons have MH issues too. Probably.

Littledidsheknow · 01/05/2025 21:23

Excellent username btw @TheCountofMountingCrispBags !😂

TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 01/05/2025 21:24

Littledidsheknow · 01/05/2025 21:23

Excellent username btw @TheCountofMountingCrispBags !😂

Thank you!

neopombear · 01/05/2025 21:44

When DH has a seizure I can feel evil in the room.

Rummly · 01/05/2025 21:56

I believe. I’ve seen a documentary about it.

This girl got possessed by an old ornament and started doing all sorts of nasty things. Terrible foul mouth on her. Then a priest came along with mineral water and was chanting in Italian or Welsh or something. The girl was all sick on him. But she got better.

I must have seen this in the ‘70s. So it’s been proved for a long time.

CharlotteLightandDark · 01/05/2025 22:04

I read a book by a psychiatrist who worked with possessed people, he initially was sceptical as a man of science but became more convinced through his experiences. He still maintained like 90% of people who believe they are/are seen as possessed are experiencing mental illness but he says there are in his opinion some real genuine cases he can’t explain.
it was really interesting anyway

BoundaryGirl3939 · 01/05/2025 22:07

neopombear · 01/05/2025 21:44

When DH has a seizure I can feel evil in the room.

How do you mean?

PrimitivePerson · 01/05/2025 22:52

neopombear · 01/05/2025 21:44

When DH has a seizure I can feel evil in the room.

No, you can't. That's a symptom of stress or panic.

OppsUpsSide · 01/05/2025 22:59

Yes, but in a quite boring and mundane kind of way.

HRTQueen · 01/05/2025 23:11

BoundaryGirl3939 · 01/05/2025 16:10

They are always scheming. Always. Even when it appears as though things are calm on the surface. They have zero empathy, and enjoy when your life falls apart. They are evil.

Many people who have observed narcisstic rage have stated that they have witnessed the narcissists eyes turning black. If you search 'narcisstic rage black eyes' on YouTube, you will see many videos on this topic. The comments under the videos are interesting.

The black eyes sometimes called shark eyes is caused by intense emotions and the pupil enlarging it’s not specific to people with a diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder

often what is unnerving is their actions are not representative of what your brain is telling you. You will pick up many hundreds of tiny cues, the minuscule facial movements, the eye changes, how they are moving, standing, All this is happening without you being conscious of it so often you will feel uncomfortable, scared, alert heart starts to race and you are not quite sure why it’s not an evil vibe from them it’s your brain warning you you might be in danger and getting you ready to move quickly if you need to

Yes often they are scheming, they lie, lack empathy, can not relate to other people but their personalities do differ they are not all charming like Ted Bundy or particularly noticeable or come across as arrogant, some are awkward, some are loud and obnoxious others are quiet

evil well I do not believe in the concept of people being evil it takes away responsibility

HappyNewTaxYear · 01/05/2025 23:25

mrsmiggins78 · 01/05/2025 14:56

Was chatting to some random drug addict/beggar the other day and he was absolutely emphatic they exist and tell him things he couldn't otherwise know; where the drugs are, where the money is.

Would explain an awful lot of things. Look up Jerry Marzinsky

He’s not used this knowledge to improve his life then?

seriously… you were talking to someone with a mental illness.

Littledidsheknow · 01/05/2025 23:43

Rummly · 01/05/2025 21:56

I believe. I’ve seen a documentary about it.

This girl got possessed by an old ornament and started doing all sorts of nasty things. Terrible foul mouth on her. Then a priest came along with mineral water and was chanting in Italian or Welsh or something. The girl was all sick on him. But she got better.

I must have seen this in the ‘70s. So it’s been proved for a long time.

Nothing is scientifically “proved” by having a dodgy 70s documentary made about it.
Are you sure weren’t actually watching The Exorcist? There’s a vomiting possessed girl in that.

ETA - duh me! 🤦🏻‍♀️

BoundaryGirl3939 · 01/05/2025 23:45

HRTQueen · 01/05/2025 23:11

The black eyes sometimes called shark eyes is caused by intense emotions and the pupil enlarging it’s not specific to people with a diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder

often what is unnerving is their actions are not representative of what your brain is telling you. You will pick up many hundreds of tiny cues, the minuscule facial movements, the eye changes, how they are moving, standing, All this is happening without you being conscious of it so often you will feel uncomfortable, scared, alert heart starts to race and you are not quite sure why it’s not an evil vibe from them it’s your brain warning you you might be in danger and getting you ready to move quickly if you need to

Yes often they are scheming, they lie, lack empathy, can not relate to other people but their personalities do differ they are not all charming like Ted Bundy or particularly noticeable or come across as arrogant, some are awkward, some are loud and obnoxious others are quiet

evil well I do not believe in the concept of people being evil it takes away responsibility

Evil people do exist. The most evil people carry out their deeds in secret. It starts subtle. No amount of meds, pleading, therapy will change a narc. Theyre doomed. I don't think you have truly dealt with a narc, or been close to one if you have not experienced this.

LunaTheCat · 01/05/2025 23:58

FeministUnderTheCatriarchy · 01/05/2025 15:07

No. It is either evil people trying to excuse their evil actions. To give a reason for being terrible.

Vulnerable people being misunderstood (epilepsy, schizophrenia) or other things we can't explain yet. Look at the scientific progress and things we laugh at now, that people fully believed in the past?

Or used as a tool against women for control.

I grew up in the church. I saw people collapse on the ground being "struck by Christ", everyone speaking in tongues etc.

My father and the church leaders performed an exorcism on my mother. Why?
Because she was beginning to speak out about 30 years of physical and sexual violence.

Your poor Mum 😢
I was a young person who spent a lot time in a fundamentalist church … the people I saw who performed “exorcisms” on young and vulnerable people where pure evil.

HRTQueen · 02/05/2025 00:05

BoundaryGirl3939 · 01/05/2025 23:45

Evil people do exist. The most evil people carry out their deeds in secret. It starts subtle. No amount of meds, pleading, therapy will change a narc. Theyre doomed. I don't think you have truly dealt with a narc, or been close to one if you have not experienced this.

People cause horrific pain to others sometimes they make a choice to do this
and enjoy the pain the inflict

can be called evil but the concept that someone is evil is a religious concept that is not through choice

yes I have had personal and professional experiences with people who have a diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder

LeftFooter · 02/05/2025 00:09

Yes I do.

There’s a podcast called “The Exorcist Files” which is worth a listen.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 02/05/2025 00:19

Fascinating topic.

There's alot of things that we are yet to explain scientifically, and I've experienced "high strangeness", including a drug induced psychosis for which I was sectioned. (Not of my own doing, a complicated situation involving an unusual reaction to anti-depressants, being spiked and a highly stressful personal situation which essentially resulted in a nervous breakdown).

I am not religious at all, and wasn't brought up practising, but it was interesting that alot of my delusions centred around religious subject matter. Some of it clearly reflected things I had taken in from older family members who were essentially lapsed Catholics.

My enforced Section came about because after voluntarily agreeing to spending time as an inpatient, I then went for a walk and tried to walk on water from the beach near the hospital. I was rescued by windsurfers and then put on suicide watch although I really wasn't trying to harm myself - I was playing into a game I thought was going on around me.

Point is, the mind is a very powerful thing. I'm interested objectively in the occult and psychology, and it was very interesting the number of people I met in hospital who's delusions were also underpinned by some sort of religious theme. I was aware that what I was experiencing seemed both real but irrational. Anti-psychotics seemed to enhance, not dull the experience.

In esoteric circles, the phrase "as above, so below" is used, it comes from times when superstition and alchemy and religious oppression was rife. I suspect it means that our minds can construct a perceived reality through a combination of input throughout our lives, which, during existential crisis, when our senses are heightened, can more readily identify and attach significance to things which seem resonant.

So if one believes in demonic possession, we can manufacture that experience to a degree and our culture will mean that those around us familiar with the concept will almost share the delusion due to the recognition of it.

I don't know if I'm explaining it very well, and it's just my theory. It's also a useful way for an overburdened mind to let go of responsibility for things that are painful to accept possibly. Pinning it on an external force, and genuinely believing in it is a potent thing. People genuinely can't help it because the influence of their learned beliefs is so strong.

It's why I am passionately opposed to fear based religious teachings. In susceptible people, say with genetic predisposition to schizophrenia, being brought up to worship and fear an omnipotent entity who watches your every move is an absolutely disastrous recipe for paranoia, for a start. Think how many serial killers have said "the Devil made me do it" or similar. Some are psychopaths who may use it as a culturally ingrained defence quite cynically, and some genuinely believe it.

I find it odd that we never hear about "angelic possession" which would logically be the unproblematic counterpart.

I also find it interesting that there is apparently a documented uptick in religious revival being reported, which seems to reflect the growing instability in the world, where faith is being list in our secular systems due to very unsupernatural corruption etc.

Strange and interesting times indeed, and worthy of much examination in terms of the evolution of human psychology.