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Demonic Possession

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scorpiogirly · 01/05/2025 13:16

Do you believe?

I've been watching a lot of podcasts on YouTube lately with exorcist from the church.

I'm torn. Do you believe?

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scorpiogirly · 01/05/2025 16:56

PrimitivePerson · 01/05/2025 16:47

Exactly, the supernatural has never been proven. The universe behaves according to a complex set of rules we don't always understand, but there's nothing spiritual behind them.

Maybe it's not provable as we know it? I mean even science. Humans made up numbers to make sense of things. We use science to explain certain things, but this could be beyond anything scientific. Plus science has changed. They get things wrong and change the science.

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Abbycarry2211 · 01/05/2025 16:57

QuaintShaker · 01/05/2025 16:55

You should probably put down the spiritual books.

Haha lets agree to disagree.

Youre a practical realist by the sounds of it.

I believe in more than that.

PrimitivePerson · 01/05/2025 16:57

Abbycarry2211 · 01/05/2025 16:53

A lot of spiritual books say it.

That if humans weaken their vibrational state through drugs and alcohol, negaitve energies find it easier to attach to them.

We pick other peoples energy up everywhere we go, aswell.

I cleanse my energy every day now. Especially after ive been in a large group setting, like on a bus.

Do you have any idea how weird this sounds?

Abbycarry2211 · 01/05/2025 16:59

PrimitivePerson · 01/05/2025 16:57

Do you have any idea how weird this sounds?

To cleanse your energy?

No its not weird at all. A lot of ancient traditions believe that we have energy centres that we need to cleanse. Have you heard of reiki?

Tai chi is also a practice that is very popular, that cleanses and balances energy in our body.

Go on youtube.

There are hundreds of videos on there about how to cleanse your energy.

PrimitivePerson · 01/05/2025 17:00

We do not have "energy centres".

Abbycarry2211 · 01/05/2025 17:02

PrimitivePerson · 01/05/2025 17:00

We do not have "energy centres".

So are you saying that tai chi is wrong?

Because a huge amount of peoole do it.

I go to a tai chi class in my city in the UK every week

The class is always packed with a lot of people.

The purpose of tai chi, is to cleanse and balance energy in the body.

QuaintShaker · 01/05/2025 17:06

Abbycarry2211 · 01/05/2025 16:57

Haha lets agree to disagree.

Youre a practical realist by the sounds of it.

I believe in more than that.

Yes, I believe that alcohol - a drug that is extremely well known to impair people's judgment, reduce inhibitions, alter emotional processing and lead to increased violence and aggression - often causes negative behaviour including increased violence.

You believe that, at the same time some people drink alcohol, they are temporarily possessed by a magical being that just happens to cause the same adverse side effects.

Abbycarry2211 · 01/05/2025 17:09

QuaintShaker · 01/05/2025 17:06

Yes, I believe that alcohol - a drug that is extremely well known to impair people's judgment, reduce inhibitions, alter emotional processing and lead to increased violence and aggression - often causes negative behaviour including increased violence.

You believe that, at the same time some people drink alcohol, they are temporarily possessed by a magical being that just happens to cause the same adverse side effects.

Yes you've already said that you dont believe in anything beyond the physical realm.

ThDanielDay · 01/05/2025 17:10

Seeing as Tucker Carson and Alex Jones are two of the main media players claiming first hand knowledge of demonic possession.... No, no I don't

PrimitivePerson · 01/05/2025 17:12

Abbycarry2211 · 01/05/2025 17:02

So are you saying that tai chi is wrong?

Because a huge amount of peoole do it.

I go to a tai chi class in my city in the UK every week

The class is always packed with a lot of people.

The purpose of tai chi, is to cleanse and balance energy in the body.

Edited

Well, it's "real" in the sense that it's a belief system, and if it makes you feel better, then great, but like all other spiritual beliefs, it's simply a lifestyle choice with no proof or science behind it. In that sense it isn't "real" at all.

mathanxiety · 01/05/2025 17:15

https://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/sacraments-and-sacramentals/sacramentals-blessings/exorcism

I'm RC, and believe this exists.

I've linked an explanation of the sacramental here.

The text notes the sensational way the topic and the rite are presented in movies and popular culture.

Every person presenting for baptism in the RC church will undergo a minor exorcism, while anyone believed to be suffering from demonic possession can have a major exorcism. This includes people who are not Catholic or Christian. The minor and major rites are very different, with major exorcism only performed by a duly appointed priest and after a protocol of examination and preparation by the priest have been followed.

Anyone seeking a major exorcism must undergo a medical, psychological, and/ or psychiatric exam first, and the context or background to the suspicion of demonic possession will be examined - any dabbling in the occult / 'spiritual cleansing' / New Age religion, etc. or family involvement when growing up will be ascertained.

Exorcism

IntroductionThe Latin Church Bishops of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops approved the English translation of De Exorcismis et Supplicationibu...

https://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/sacraments-and-sacramentals/sacramentals-blessings/exorcism

Abbycarry2211 · 01/05/2025 17:16

@PrimitivePerson
Yeah the western health system is very "science and drugs." If that suits you , great. Its good for many people.

I personally prefer the eastern health systems.

Which focus more on energy. Like reiki, tai chi, ayurveda, yoga etc. I think that they are very interesting.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 01/05/2025 17:17

Nope.
Certain historic places can feel strange.
I don't believe in curses, demons, possessions or voodoo.
Nor do I believe that a holy person can protect you.
Human beings are the evil on this earth, some say these acts are possessed. I think they're vicious and evil.

PrimitivePerson · 01/05/2025 17:20

EmeraldShamrock000 · 01/05/2025 17:17

Nope.
Certain historic places can feel strange.
I don't believe in curses, demons, possessions or voodoo.
Nor do I believe that a holy person can protect you.
Human beings are the evil on this earth, some say these acts are possessed. I think they're vicious and evil.

I think places only feel strange if we know enough about them to fire our imaginations.

I once saw a cattle truck in a museum that I knew from the information display had been used to deport Jews to concentration camps. That really disturbed me, but I doubt it would have if I didn't know that about it.

mathanxiety · 01/05/2025 17:20

PrimitivePerson · 01/05/2025 16:47

Exactly, the supernatural has never been proven. The universe behaves according to a complex set of rules we don't always understand, but there's nothing spiritual behind them.

'Never been proven' doesn't equal 'does not exist'.

Ohwhatfuckeryitistoride · 01/05/2025 17:21

Naaah, load of old cobblers innit? Historical justification for the mistreatment of mental illness and women. I do love a demonic possession film though.

PrimitivePerson · 01/05/2025 17:22

mathanxiety · 01/05/2025 17:20

'Never been proven' doesn't equal 'does not exist'.

True, but it doesn't equal "does exist" either.

FeministUnderTheCatriarchy · 01/05/2025 17:23

BoundaryGirl3939 · 01/05/2025 16:01

I believe narcissists are possessed, or that they have a different spirit to us. They steal, kill, lie and destroy. They all play by the same rule book so they're predictable. It's odd they they all act the same one way or another so I think it has a spiritual element. Master actors.

I mean, people with bipolar disorder act in a similar way to each other, same with schizophrenia and even anxiety and depression.

Suggesting that a narcissist is "possessed," is just an attempt to explain behavior that feels extreme or inhuman. But from a scientific perspective, narcissistic traits—and even more severe patterns like sociopathy—are well-explained by psychology and neuroscience.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) is a recognized mental health condition rooted in personality development, often shaped by early childhood experiences, trauma, or attachment issues.

These individuals often develop patterns of grandiosity, lack of empathy, and manipulation as coping mechanisms, not because of any external supernatural force.

Modern neuroscience backs this up. Brain imaging studies have shown that people with narcissistic or sociopathic traits often have measurable differences in brain regions involved in empathy, emotional regulation, and moral reasoning—particularly the prefrontal cortex and amygdala.

These differences can explain the emotional coldness or manipulative tendencies sometimes seen in such individuals. Rather than resorting to mystical ideas like possession, it's more accurate to see narcissism as a complex, but understandable, mental and neurological condition.

I have had a diagnosed narcissist in my life. He felt evil. He did evil things. I have never met anyone quite like him. He systematically destroyed my self esteem and even my ability to think logically.

He wasn't possessed, but I would agree that his humanity felt very far removed from what someone like us can understand.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 01/05/2025 17:23

mrsmiggins78 · 01/05/2025 14:56

Was chatting to some random drug addict/beggar the other day and he was absolutely emphatic they exist and tell him things he couldn't otherwise know; where the drugs are, where the money is.

Would explain an awful lot of things. Look up Jerry Marzinsky

But he was still begging on the street. You'd have thought the demons would have told him how to get enough money to live comfortably or to be able to afford his own drugs without needing to beg?

I'm not a believer in demons. I do believe that there's a lot going on in the human mind that we don't completely understand yet (we don't know how many drugs affect the brain, yet we still use them). I don't think demons are necessary to explain the evil that people can do to others, because I think the mind is capable of many many things that we don't yet have explanations for.

MaryGreenhill · 01/05/2025 17:24

It's all nonsense

QuaintShaker · 01/05/2025 17:25

Abbycarry2211 · 01/05/2025 17:09

Yes you've already said that you dont believe in anything beyond the physical realm.

Edited

I don't (though I don't completely deny the possibility).

But you're explaining simple, every day occurrences (like alcohol making some people aggressive) with extremely "out there" supernatural explanations, that are beyond unnecessary.

Your views on this are akin to believing that, when people get in a car and turn the ignition, the car is temporarily possessed by a demon that makes it move (the spell being broken once the car is turned off).

Blueskies25 · 01/05/2025 17:33

scorpiogirly · 01/05/2025 13:16

Do you believe?

I've been watching a lot of podcasts on YouTube lately with exorcist from the church.

I'm torn. Do you believe?

No,
it’s mental health issues, not demonic possession

Do you believe in it?

Mermaidsarereal · 01/05/2025 17:35

I'm on the fence but I once witnessed my mum having a psychotic episode and it looked like she was possessed by something to me, very scary!

Blueskies25 · 01/05/2025 17:36

Tekknonan · 01/05/2025 14:58

My (sadly now late) stepdaughter was plagued all her life by serious mental illness. When she was in her twenties, some well-meaning idiot of a minister suggested possession and took her to a 'deliverance' service. Anyone with half a braincell about mental illness can probably predict what happened next.

From then on, she was plagued with the idea that she was demonically possessed. In her better moments, she knew this wasn't the case, but even then, she was frightened it might be true. When she was ill, the devil became a massive feature. Her dog was looking at her with devil's eyes. She turned family photos to the wall because the devil was watching her through the eyes.

I don't think the brainless moron who did that to her made her illness worse in one sense. She would have been ill anyway, but it gave a terrifying twist to her illness, and it gave her a reason to resist treatment. (The pills won't work. It's the devil).

To answer the OP's question. No, I don't believe in it. It's a nonsense that has been used to abuse and torture children and adults. To this lay minister, I would say, 'Stop it. Now. You are doing more harm that you know.'

The poor girl

ButterfliesnWaterfalls · 01/05/2025 17:38

In Islam - there is a whole area of study about Jinn (beings who currently live on this planet but we can’t see/hear them).

Sometimes they possess humans. Some are good Jinni and some are bad.

There are some who are evil like Satan, and just create chaos.

Muslims believe this. We have our way of doing “exorcisms”. Mostly which consists of reciting verses of the holy book and trying to remain clean and “good”.

Similarly, Muslims also believe in Angels. Divine beings.

Of course - people can have mental health issues. It’s considered better to take a balanced approach to any ailments - so take your medicine and say your prayers.