Demonic Possession

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Do you believe?

I've been watching a lot of podcasts on YouTube lately with exorcist from the church.

I'm torn. Do you believe?

Ah, here you go @Abbycarry2211 . Sounds like your ex accidentally drank a jinn and tonic.

This sounds like a sensible approach,
When I read the New Testament accounts of demons, people frothing at the mouth etc, I tend to think that those people most likely had mental illness or epilepsy, but demonic possession was how people sought to understand it at the time,

No doubt those who believe in the inerrancy of the bible will find that blasphemous!

I'm not sure if that is blasphemous

How do you know? What is your understanding of an "energy centre"?

If they were possessed, they'd be able to be exorcised and cured.

But they can't be.

Lol that is funny.

It’s fine. Not everyone believes it.

Most people in the Eastern part of the world believe this sort of stuff.

Witchcraft, black magic, spirits etc.

@Crazyworldmum

Would you be able to tell me more about this? I think it's fascinating!

You can bring a horse to water but you can't make him drink. You can't force someone to get exorcised. And I'm not sure it works for everyone.

I do believe some people are condemned to hell from the beginning (narcs). Diagnosing it as a personality disorder is an infantile explanation that lets ppl away with murder. And modern day psychology is still new. It can't explain everything, and has removed the spiritual element from almost everything.

I've known narcissists, and they throw anyone under a bus to get out of trouble. Bad news. They will slowly kill you. Zero empathy. The most prideful idiotic people about. They crave admiration. Their persona is a mask. It was pride that sent Lucifer to hell. These are his minions who will return to him. I do believe this. I don't think there is salvation for certain ppl.

I think it’s interesting to discuss where the line between science and spirituality is blurred. But I think there is room for both.

Please spend that time at Mass or doing the rosary or working with the poor or something.

The good exorcists aren't flashing about online. The Church sadly is politicised and a lot of demonisation of modernity happens online.

Regardless of that, don't give forces of darkness attention. They are vain and also they will look for ways in.

Eyes firmly on the Cross.

Can't force a person to undergo the ritual - but a mere fallible human or two can force a 'demon' to bugger off back to Hell when they're immensely powerful supernatural beings that do not adhere to the laws of physics, biology or God?

Guess that's why they're such fans of forcing children and recalcitrant women to undergo the process. Bit inconvenient when they die, though.

Consent is always necessary before an exorcism is performed in the RC church.

Your average narcissist is highly unlikely to be open to the suggestion that they might have a problem, whether psychological or spiritual.

Exorcism also must be preceeded by psychological/ medical/ psychiatric exams, and the context of the suspicion of demonic possession has to be examined (the person's past exposure to the occult in its various forms). Only when there is moral certainty (i.e. when the exorcist's degree of certainty that the case before him is one of possession lies between 'highly probable with all other explanations ruled out', and 'absolutely certain') that an exorcism is needed, and with the consent of the individual, will the exorcism go ahead.

This!

A fallible human being speaking in the name of Jesus, with careful spiritual preparation.

An exorcist does not work with his own authority.

I’ve spent a lot of time around people who evoke demons, gods and angels. I believe that all these things are inside of us and we can bring these to the fore ourselves, or others can do this through manipulation.

I wouldn’t call it a mental illness as it is simply pulling different facets of our personalities to the fore, we need to keep these aspects of ourselves in balance and “demonic possession” is just a matter of not balancing opposing forces within us.

i do believe that there are certain forces that operate throughout the universe that align with these things humans call gods/demons, good/evil and that these parts of us align with these forces.

But again it is about creating this balance, an experienced person, therapist, healer, spiritual person etc will help the rebalancing via whatever their chosen method. It doesn’t really matter it’s largely down to whatever the person believes in.

Yes. I’ve had deliverance from demons

Yes, it’s a pre-scientific attempt to explain and cure mental illness — it may even have ‘cured’ some people via the placebo effect, though it caused the deaths of others. It’s like changelings being a pre-scientific attempt to explain disabled or ill babies, or women with PND. It has no place in today’s world.

I felt possessed when I didn’t understand or have a label for my mental illness - I was experiencing lots of ‘polar opposite’ thoughts to what I really felt - they were intrusive and I didn’t understand why they were happening to me or where they were coming from. The only way I could describe it was a ‘voice’ but it was thoughts in my mind that weren’t me and upset me greatly. Almost like someone whispering horrible things into your brain. Often these were image based and I’d see terrible things in my minds eye.

I couldn’t tell anyone because I was worried I’d get painted as insane or indeed labelled as possessed but it was a horrifying time. My pastor actually was one of the most influential people on my journey, spotted the mental illness and helped me understand it and get the right help. Years later we are still friends despite him moving away and I will be forever grateful.

I have to be careful around the Church and prefer now to hold my own beliefs by myself, because I can get too wrapped up in what is said or reported in a service and I have historically struggled with obsessing around being ‘good’.

Interestingly, however I do still believe there are positive and evil forces and these can take hold if you’re not careful. You can be ‘open’ to good and evil and have to be mindful with regard to what you are exposing yourself too. But this also is just good safeguarding for yourself as well. If you see too much horrible stuff it is going to have an impact.

I was once in a spiritual meeting at a festival where someone invited God in and random people started fitting and screaming. It was a harrowing experience. Really unnerved you deep inside at a core level. It felt spiritual and unearthly.

Hello, Azazal here, fret ye not. We just don't have any demons to spare for posession duties! It's all hands on deck what with all the new residents to process and the dodgy boiler to mend. Then we're mid-rehersal for a Hollywood musicals montage- the boss is always a bit tetchy at this time of the year too, so we're all trying to cheer him.
So, no need to worry, all our naughty little spirits are accounted for, so don't let the charlatans tell you otherwise!
Byeeee!

I hope you left them a strongly worded negative review on Trip Advisor!

That's an idea - sounds more plausable - but the voice I heard in my dream was terrifying - why do our bodies do this to us 😔

You need Jesus

That's interesting, as that's how the devil is described in the Bible: The thief comes only to steal, kill, and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.

This

Psychs don’t treat demons.