Why are Kneecap not in prison?

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But Lucy Connelly is? Kneecap told people to kill their MPs. Why have they not been arrested.

(To be very clear, I do not condone violence of any kind towards anyone, I'm just asking as this seems like a double standard, can someone explain?)

@Wonderberry is honestly like a broken record.

She will only condemn ‘terror’ if it’s against the side she is on.
This is what I hate about the current polarisation of politics. Pick a side and defend your side vehemently. Ignore any argument to the contrary, keep going like a bull in a China shop and forget that these situations are often far more complex than good vs evil.
At the end of the day, innocent people are dying. Whoever is committing those atrocities needs to stop. Whatever side they’re on.

That they should release a statement confirming that they do not support Hamas or the killing of MPs and not say it again.

As we know, the first part has already happened.

What absolute fools they are .
Shouting “up Hamas” . Then issuing a statement that they do not support Hamas . Idiots who know very little.

Meanwhile - in Gaza - brave Palestinians ( in the face of constant attacks from Israel) are openly condemning Hamas .
“Al-Natour spoke to us from the shattered remains of his city, the flimsy canvas side of the tent which now forms part of his house billowing behind him.
"The world thinks that Gaza is Hamas and Hamas is Gaza," he said. "We didn't choose Hamas and now Hamas is determined to rule Gaza and tie our fate to its own. Hamas must retreat. "
Speaking out is dangerous. Hamas has never tolerated dissent. Al-Natour seems undaunted, writing a furious column for the Washington Post at the end of March.
"To support Hamas is to be for Palestinian death," he wrote, "not Palestinian freedom".”

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c175z14r8pro

You are the one sounding like a broken record and have clearly picked a 'side'. I'm against terrorism in all forms. Self defense is not terrorism. Proscribed terrorist organisations are, by definition.

So you consider that Israel is acting in self defence and therefore justified in murdering children? Ok well no point whatsoever in engaging with you

'What absolute fools they are . Shouting “up Hamas” . Then issuing a statement that they do not support Hamas . Idiots who know very little.'

Yes I don't know which is worse, saying it or denying it when all the evidence is there. They've made absolute tits of themselves.

'There are numerous bands with names / songs that will offend people, Dead Kennedy, Sex Pistols, F the Police., a quick google will throw up far more offensive names. They have given an explanation for their name previous to this furore as a play on an Irish word ní ceap , don’t think which sounds like kneecap in English. Unsophisticated and confronting.'*

A play on words? But 'niceap' is something to do with examination boards a quick google tells me, you're suggesting 'kneecap' is referring to this?! It isn't, it's obviously referring to horrific gangland torture methods. They just can't own it can they.

Yes we've had offensive names before however Sex Pistols isn't remotely offensive and I doubt nowadays we've have 'the Dead Obamas' or similar as people tend to be less tolerant of goady crap.

Yes I don't know which is worse, saying it or denying it when all the evidence is there. They've made absolute tits of themselves.

I agree. Why on earth did they deny saying all that?
It would have been better to have just apologised.

Zero point engaging with you either. I suggest you take a look at the history of the region and how this war started and why it's ongoing. It's not up to me to educate you. I doubt you will do as you enjoy spewing your misinformed views.

Did it start in 1897 when Zionist colonialism was first discussed in Basel?
Or was it in 1947 when the Nakba started?

Talk about offensive! That’s akin to me saying English people support genocide and deny it is happening in Palestine because there are lots of English people on the thread defending / not comdemning Israeli army actions - I’m not saying that, I don’t know where people are from.

A play on words? But 'niceap' is something to do with examination boards a quick google tells me, you're suggesting 'kneecap' is referring to this?! It isn't, it's obviously referring to horrific gangland torture methods. They just can't own it can they.

@Gloriia

Ní ceap (not niceap) isn’t anything to do with Irish examination boards as far as I’m aware, so not sure what you found when googling. It’s two separate words and the accent (the fada) is important so maybe that led google astray?

I’ve no idea if they were trying for the play on words when they chose the name. Kneecapping is something the IRA did to drug dealers, among others, as a form of vigilante ‘justice’. Kneecap have said in the past that the irony in their name is intentional, as they are singing about things that would have got them kneecapped.

But I don’t know their true motivation in choosing the name obviously. It could have been multifaceted.
I hate it in any case.

"Ni Caep" likely refers to CCEA, the Council for the Curriculum, Examinations and Assessment in Northern Ireland. CCEA develops and manages curriculum, examinations, and assessment systems for Northern Ireland schools'

First thing that comes up when one Googles.

I'm all ears on what play on words this can possibly be?

'Kneecapping is something the IRA did to drug dealers, among others, as a form of vigilante ‘justice'

'Drug dealers'? 'Vigilante justice'? . Kneecapping is a method of torture used by gangs, nothing about vigilante justice.

Ní ceap, not Ni Caep. You’ve inverted the vowels.

Your comment has F* All to do with Kneecap expressing support for Hamas. ( An Iranian funded terrorist group)

Totally disingenuous to suggest the name Kneecap is not an allusion to IRA torture methods

I repeat
In Gaza Palestinians are saying

"To support Hamas is to be for Palestinian death," he wrote, "not Palestinian freedom".”

Yes, I agree it’s a form of torture obviously. That’s why I hate the name. That’s how the IRA saw it for drug dealers though and why I used inverted commas when I used the term.

As pp said, you’ve mixed up the spelling there. Ceap is an Irish verb meaning to think.

The chances that the name refers to the NI examination board are zero I would think 😂

Irish grammar is different to English, but Ni Cheap would basically translate as "(I) don't understand"

It is an allusion to kneecapping, of course it is.

However the Ní ceap/Don’t think double meaning is widely quoted online.

I don’t know if the band came up with that themselves or not though.
It’s not exactly grammatically correct or the word you’d use if you actually wanted to say ‘don’t think’ in Irish…but there still might have been a bit of word play going on, I don’t know.

I think you have to remember that Irish is the first language for one of them, and they’re all fluent speakers, so it’s unlikely to be something they’d miss.

It is of course al allusion and a somewhat clumsy attempt to move on from the horrors of the past given that they (given the movie and constant drug refs in lyrics) would have been the victims of that punishment in the past. They did have some explanation of how they came up with the name based on how the words sound in Irish and It’s not sophisticated but clearly the opposite of endorsing kneecapping as a punishment.

'It is of course al allusion and a somewhat clumsy attempt to move on from the horrors of the past'

An attempt to move on from the horrors the past by naming themselves something to do with the horrors of the past. Riiiight.

I didn’t. I was pointing out that you said twice it was something to do with an examination board but you’d spelt it wrong.

another poster has explained some of the imagery around the name.

we can argue about prison, we can argue if they’re wrong or bad or whatever, whether they genuinely support Hamas, etc but if you are now trying to argue that the members of Kneecap are in favour of kneecapping people, then that is bonkers.

Going back to the op do you think the same should be applied to the person mentioned in the op?

Do we all get a chance to release similar statements when mistakes are made