Why are Kneecap not in prison?

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But Lucy Connelly is? Kneecap told people to kill their MPs. Why have they not been arrested.

(To be very clear, I do not condone violence of any kind towards anyone, I'm just asking as this seems like a double standard, can someone explain?)

There was a discussion about why ( or why not ) they should go to prison. It is that discussion which revealed that some posters were not prepared to condemn anything that Kneecap said.

Strawman

Not really.
Suggesting people support terrorism unless they reply to your precise questioning is unlikely to encourage people to respond. They’ll just think ‘fuck you’ instead.
That’s basic communication skills.

Only if you have the social skills of a neanderthal

No.
It’s quite the insult you know, being accused of supporting terrorism.

Communication 101 =
Don’t horribly insult the person you’re talking to.

Is it? A lot of people don't believe Hamas are terrorists so it's not rude to ask

Plenty of men have been jailed for the same thing.
Daft as it sounds, that’s not what I was referring to.

You and several others on this thread are engaging in what you think is an erisitc debate. One where you do not want to listen to the other side, only to attack and poke holes in language as some kind of ‘gotcha’
THAT betrays a lack of communication skills.
You have repeatedly ignored any logical argument against what you’re saying, instead constantly going for “DO YOU CONDEMN HAMAS” over and over and over again. Almost like some second rate channel 4 news presenter who keeps shouting the same question over and over at their guest, trying to cut across anything they say.
It’s tiresome, really and not a trap anyone wants to fall in to.

Yes perhaps more accurate to say some on here clearly support those who support terrorism which is obviously not ok.

Anyway as I say they've been silenced so their shock tactics are all a bit of a damp squib. All hot air.

Another strawman

Let me know when you're ready to engage in good faith

Frankly, this is the crux of the argument: is supporting terrorism (specifically terrorist organisations) acceptable in our society. It is not unreasonable to ask people if they support them in this context. The fact that these posters have not been willing to condemn them speaks volumes about their character.

Yes

Most people- even if they have a very different political viewpoint-are very happy/ quick to say they don’t support terrorism . ( which is not surprising as terrorism means what it says - terror / torture/ rape and killing for ordinary citizens - ie Palestinians or Israelis- Catholics or Protestants)

Yes, we know what terrorism is, thank you.

Northern Irish or Irish people being accused of supporting terrorism is something that still happens far too often.
Sometimes it’s even meant as a ‘joke’ apparently. Not here though.

It’s completely and utterly offensive to the vast majority.
As is this persistent questioning.
Just in case you still don’t realise that.

I obviously can’t speak for other individuals on this thread but if they’ve any sense they’ll have left it by now.

do you renounce satan? You haven’t renounced him yet. It’s a simple question.

No one is questioning the vast majority of Irish who DEFINITELY do not support terrorism.

But if you express support for a band called Kneecap (🤮) who wear balaclavas , who glorify terrorism (The name of one band member is a reference to Provos) who call for the killing of MPs and say things like “up Hamas” - You can’t come out with faux outrage if You’re questioned about whether you support those things .

In fairness- several posters who did show some support for Kneecap did also condemn the offensive words. However others seemed to feel they have done nothing wrong….

I think most people have left the thread because most people realise Kneecap’s words are indefensible.

I can’t speak for others, but I myself have said they shouldn’t have said what they said but I don’t believe they should be jailed for it.

I initially joined the thread because of some posters outrageous comments about how Irish people ‘play the victim’ and should just ‘get over it’

I did not keep asking that poster if they support colonial oppression over and over again though, did I?

Yes - Fair enough.

Exactly. How many times in my life have I been asked “do you condemn unequivocally the IRA” (I do, even if I am sympathetic to the circumstances that led to their existence) but when I say well, do you condemn unequivocally the actions of the British government in Derry in 1972, “it’s not as simple as that, they were at war and in danger” etc. atrocities are not only committed by terrorists, and pointing this out does not make me a terrorist sympathiser. Not the original point of the thread, but I also commented originally because of the ill informed comments about Northern Ireland.

Just to be clear - I unreservedly condemn the actions of the British in Derry in 72 and would argue strongly against anyone who tried to justify Bloody Sunday etc
Half my family are Catholics from the North.

Soldier F will be standing trial this year. Let’s hope the outcome of that trial brings at least some justice to the families of those that were killed, thought it’ll never remove the scars ❤️

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1w07n9jrd9o.amp

@Psychoticbreak , Jesus!

I think psychoticbreak might be having a psychotic breakdown.

They aren't lads, they are grown adults, who are openly sympathising with terrorist groups, inflaming tensions, and encouraging violence.

The amount of 'whatabouttery' on this thread, without condemning terrorist sympathisers is outstanding. I can only conclude that there is a significant proportion of terrorist sympathisers in our society, and this is deeply troubling. Even more troubling, is that not all victims are equal according to some on this thread, given the amount of sympathisers for terrorist who kill Jews.

There are quite a few articles (some written by British journalists, GQ magazine is good) ) that make a good job of explaining the cultural significance and impact of Kneecap in Ireland and around the world. They come from a background of love for the Irish language and culture and actively worked to promote it. The
President of Ireland sent condolences on the death of one members father, a language activist, just a few months ago, pointing to the strength of their background and interests (not terrorism) https://president.ie/en/media-library/news-releases/statement-by-president-higgins-on-the-death-of-gearoid-o-caireallain
They have said stupid things that cannot be condoned and apologised for them, but the reason there is a call to cancel them is because they attracted the attention of powerful people who intend to quash criticism of Israel. That’s why their concerts are being cancelled and some British tabloids even went trawling Irish publications for pictures of their partners, which verges on the sinister.

I have said earlier in the thread that I’m all in favour of the promotion of Irish Language and culture. I often visit a Gaeltacht area in Ireland and am trying to learn Irish.
I find it really troubling that Kneecap are linking the love of Ireland and Irish culture to terrorism through their choice of name etc.

I accept that you condemn their words but I cannot accept that the calls to cancel them are “because they attracted the attention of powerful people who intend to quash criticism of Israel.”
That seems to me as if you are trying to minimise and deflect attention away from what Kneecap said with an implied political conspiracy against them.
You do not need to be a powerful part of any pro Israel lobby to know that saying “Up Hamas” is wrong.
I have always been repulsed by Kneecaps choice of name / balaclava / the name “Provai” etc etc The call for the death of Tory’s MPs etc just confirms what their adoption of terrorist paraphernalia suggests.

As do their Death to Israel / Up Hamas comments .