Why are Kneecap not in prison?

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But Lucy Connelly is? Kneecap told people to kill their MPs. Why have they not been arrested.

(To be very clear, I do not condone violence of any kind towards anyone, I'm just asking as this seems like a double standard, can someone explain?)

I agree something should be done about the intimidation of the 12th July

What is being done is through education and awareness raising and an element of let them have their day to keep peace. That is what you need to do to keep and maintain hardly won and easily lost peace. That is what mature adults do, it is called compromise and it can be a bitter pill to swallow but often necessary for the bigger picture.

Yes - sounds good.
Personally I don’t think compromise should extend to incitement to kill

I'm surprised reading this thread how little focus there has been of their support for foreign terrorist organisations (Hamas and Hezbollah) and their incitement of violence towards Israel. All terrorism should be condemned, and this group should absolutely be deplatformed and face jail time.

Are they under different laws by country? I know in the U.K. it’s illegal to support a terrorist organisation.

Tbf there's been lots or focus on their support for hamas, hezbollah and their comments about killing MPs. Mainly rightly condemned just a few cheerleaders who think they're just daft youngsters and what's the harms it's artistic license apparently.

You do know that Kneecap are from Belfast, right?

This looks like a coordinated campaign. They’re just kids.

No, I don’t follow them that closely. I know a few songs via R6

Same question on why what they’re doing is ok, you couldn’t support a terrorist organisation on mn for example.

2 of them are in their 30s. Hardly kids.

They are UK based, and made these comments in the UK in November last year. Nothing has been done. If not for Sharon Osbourne's tweet I doubt anything would have happened. They are still due to perform at a lot of UK venues.

Most of the comments seem to be centered around Ireland and their threats to MPs. Little about their support for Hezbollah and Hamas: a group that supports genocide of Jews as part of it's charter.

Probably because they support Palestine

One was a teacher
“DJ Próvaí lost his job as a teacher in 2020 after his school was alerted to a video of a concert where he'd painted "Brits out" on his buttocks.”

So hardly “kids”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly5r4gg7l6o.amp

They are in the UK.

That is unarguably also abhorrent ( and illegal)

I don’t think the kneecap defenders have a leg to stand on

Willing to bet that a substantial number of those huffing that Kneecap should be in jail have also spent a lot of time huffing about cancel culture and how you can't say anything these days because of those woke lefties. Seems like you want cancel culture when it suits you?

I am substantially more concerned about the normalisation of hateful sentiments, couched in "respectable" language, that has seeped into the public discourse this century. Mainstream politicians, journalists and public figures foment hatred of immigrants and other marginalised groups and rarely face real consequences. Farage, Braverman and their ilk have caused more real danger for people than Kneecap could hope to.

Also, if you think it's more important to crack down on a provocative rap group being provocative than to end the direct and indirect slaughter of children in Gaza - and to haul Netanyahu to the Hague to face real justice - your priorities are backwards.

I mean they’re not kids. They’re subject to laws around supporting terrorism or inciting hate as anyone. Or should be.

There aren’t MPs in Ireland, it’s TDs instead. It’s a separate country.
MPs are in the UK which includes Northern Ireland.

I think I've said hama and hezbollah on most posts.

Anyway yes they are disgusting toerags obviously being brought up in a country torn another with gangs fighting hasn't made them peace advocaters.

No their argument seems to be aw theyre just daft lads and they've been brought up after the troubles so what can you expect.

It absolutely is a criminal offence to support Hamas or any other proscribed terror organisation by any method. 👇

"It is a criminal offence to invite support for a proscribed organisation (the support invited need not be material support, such as the provision of money or other property, and can also include moral support or approval)" ..

I’m a little wary of taking such a hard line approach to something like this.
A video as emerged that ‘appears’ to show them saying “up Hamas, Up Hezbollah” and saying the only good Tory MP is a dead one.
They’ve since released a statement saying they do not support these organisations and do not seek to incite violence.

It’s very short sighted of them, and certainly crossed a line. But by how far?
Artists have been pushing boundaries in lyrics since time immemorial. NWA, Eminem to name a couple of very prominent ones.
Do they all deserve to be cancelled?
At my core I am against cancel culture and believe things should be taken in context. What direct harm do these things cause?
I also disagree with people being jailed over posting things on Facebook telling people to go burn down hotels. I vehemently disagree with the sentiment, but I don’t think someone’s liberty should be removed because of the use of words. I find MN to be too heavily censored a lot of the time, I’ve seen plenty of posts removed that do not appear to break talk guidelines and it makes me suspicious.

There’s also a danger of artistic martyrdom here, they will get a lot of publicity out of this. I wouldn’t mind better their music is being streamed more right now.

I'm all for artists having freedom to make political statements in their art but to encourage killing people is way beyond the line. There is simply no way it can be defended in my opinion.

What I find truly remarkable is how much more incensed people are by these comments made than an ACTUAL g3nocide happening in Gaza. Than decades of occupation and oppression. Than horrific settler violence in the West Bank. By theft of land through illegal settlements. By actual apartheid.

what they said two years ago wasn’t ok. But surely you see this for the distraction it’s meant to be.

StopTheGenocide! Free Palestine!

Yes, these are separate issues. I wasn't conflating the two: the support they profess for the IRA, and their incitement to violence towards MPs. However they are of course interlinked.