To be really worried about Reform?

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Just that really. They’re predicted to gain the most from the upcoming elections, if this carries on could we see a reform government at the next general elections? Or is it press scaremongering as usual?

I'm not going to give people more credit than that actually. None of the reform commenters I see online are mentioning sending home the Indian families running their local curry houses, or calling for Ukranian refugees to be sent back or talking about ousting the Australian or South African doctors in their local A&E.

What headline was 100k?

Interesting points. So what you're saying is that you don't vote for policies or strategies to improve the country, for example, improve public services, housing, education or the environment.

This is irrelevant. You ask someone why they don't like the main parties. They don't actually care what they're voting for or whether the party have a concrete plan - they just don't like those in power.

Sounds a bit patronising, don't you think?

Goodness me, you are raking through the xenophia handbook today aren't you.

The Royal Navy rejected suggested plans to turn back boats in the Channel in 2022.
There are no international waters in the Channel to push them back to.

What does mass deportation now mean, do you think?

You'd have to ask a reform voter. I'm not. Just someone who has been staunch Labour all my life, who is sickened by the constant digging at the working classes by the new liberal elite.

As far as I can tell to flout international law and dump them somewhere overseas

I think the NHS should be moved to an insurance based model - below a certain income services remain free, above you have to have insurance. This will ensure the NHS’s survival and that those who cannot afford premiums still get care. What’s wrong with that?

To me it means they want mass deportation of brown people living in refugee accomodation. I am 10000% confident that if we started deporting specialist doctors who were born elsewhere, pushing the NHS waiting lists even longer... we'd hear a chorus of "I didn't mean you" from people that supported Farage.

All immigrants? Students, NHS workers, family members? Sounds unlikely.

It will escalate. In many European countries some parties have gone full fascist and are calling for remigration programmes. In fact they called for the EU to have a remigration department. They won't be choosy.

Stop the incentives basically. The free hotels, free meals, benefits and ultimately granted status to stay.

They pour in from France because we give them more.

Why is offering a room that? Charities exist to set you up.

What happens to the millions of people with pre-existing conditions?

So you think we should leave people to starve on the streets?

Depends where they are on the income scale Pandora….. below the threshold treatment continues without insurance, above the threshold treatment continues but they would have to take out a policy to cover the costs going forward.

Can you outline which model you prefer (the EU has a variety) and whether you believe the government would spend less per capita on health than they do currently.

I am not against an insurance model. However my understanding is that many EU governments spend as much, if not more, on health expenditure per capita.

So if the shift to insurance model is sold purely as means to lower taxes that wouldn't reflect reality.

"In 2022, nine of the EU14 countries spent more on health care per head than the UK and six invested over 20% more. A 17.4% rise in spending would put the UK almost on a par with what Denmark spent on health care in 2022, and still short of current levels of investment in France, the Netherlands and Germany."

(from The Health Foundation comparison between the UK and EU member states)

I wouldn't take anyone into my home that I didn't know. British, non British, male, female or otherwise.

Will all the Facebook reform voters bleating on about how refugees are being prioritised above British nationals, be taking in all those British families in need? Of course not, because expecting individuals to take on the burden of the state is stupid.

But insurance companies aren't going to offer cover for pre-existing conditions. Or if they did, the premiums would be massive.
tedited yo add this example. Bupa will not cover pre-existing conditions:

www.bupa.co.uk/health/health-insurance/understanding-health-insurance/preexisting-conditions

We can do similar, it might include a third country.

It’s far more likely to work than those offering ‘safe routes’ or ‘faster processing’.

The insurance companies can be subject to additional regs stopping them from loading premiums in this way Pandora, or could all be made to contribute to a common fund to keep premiums down - similar models to Pool Re for flood cover, Terrorism Re for terrorist risks and the Motor Insurance Bureau for uninsured drivers. There are a number of different ways the insurance industry could tackle it and there are already the precedents I mention above.

Yes, I agree with you. If Farage managed to remove all the asylum seekers from the UK, build a 50ft wall around the coastline and stop anyone else entering, I absolutely think his fan club would go for anyone else not born here. But as long as there are Muslims in the country, I think that's where it's easiest for him to whip up hate.

Well if you can find a third country to agree to take more migrants, then of course. I can't see many queuing up for the privilege? Would involve a cost to us anyway wouldn't it.

Rwanda was exactly this wasn't it? And how did that pan out?

@mysecretshame
Do you think the PM should not take holidays?

Previous prime ministers have been criticised for taking several foreign holidays in the space of a few months - including criticism from some of Starmer's senior cabinet ministers. I don't see why Starmer should escape similar scrutiny.