To be really worried about Reform?

[FiveHorse]

Just that really. They’re predicted to gain the most from the upcoming elections, if this carries on could we see a reform government at the next general elections? Or is it press scaremongering as usual?

They wouldn't be coming here in the first place without all the incentives

You are assuming a government that would be right wing enough to introduce insurance based healthcare would want to legislate to help those with pre-existing conditions. Given the ableism that Farage has come out with, I wouldn't be very confident.

There's plenty of safe routes. Visas.

What incentives?

How much is it costing now? We pay on many levels including to o/s

We pay more pp granted than other G7 countries too

And yes a third country, get the mandate via a GE and it’ll be easier

Good lord.

📣 THERE IS NO WAY TO CLAIM ASYLUM IN THE UK FROM OUTSIDE THE UK. 📣

If you could 'just get a visa', why on earth would people risk their lives in the channel? You cannot be for real?

There are ‘safe routes’ the pp is correct. On average we grant about 60k per year to families and other

Not everyone uses a crossing.

A mandate via a GE? General Election? Sorry you've lost me.

In regards to how much it would cost, I have literally no idea. I assume any country willing to take all the asylum applicants the UK receive would want to be paid a substantial sum to process them all?

We spent hundreds of million implementing the Rwanda scheme and sent no one there.

It's not just about Farage. There's a far right movement that's been building for a long time, mostly on social media and people are being indoctrinated. This has been happening all over and most European countries now have far right political parties.

Yes via refugee reunion visas, not for initial asylum applications. You can't use a refugee reunion visa if you have no one to be reunited with

Yes, but this thread is talking about Reform.

GE is general election yes.

It costs Aus a lower figure than our expenditure.

It’s politically preferred by all but also makes sense on costs.

People are making the journey because of family in the UK or because they can speak English. Some are coming because they think life would be better in the UK.

They're not coming because they want to live on £50 a week in a hotel.

I understand that but thank you for the clarification. Reform is part of the far right movement.

Well as I said to start with, if you can find a third country willing to take all of our asylum seekers and they actually make it there (unlike Rwanda), then fab. I think that will be a hard task, but my only desire is for people to live safely, wherever they were born, if the UK can't facilitate that, but can find another safe country who wants to do it on their behalf then lovely job.

Removing all asylum seekers, won't suddenly turn the country into a booming economy with excellent public services but will be interesting to see what the next straw man would then become? Back to the sick and disabled I imagine.

Great maybe it’ll be proposed at the next GE.

As for what’s after that I’d say it’ll be like Aus. Everyone will think yeh that is more secure and no politician will run on overturning the policy, even centre left govs who are in there now.

I know. I honestly don't understand the points you're making to me, sorry if that makes me ignorant.

I believe, based purely anecdotally from listening to the rantings and ramblings of reform voters in the media, that their current fixation is asylum seekers. Get rid of asylum seekers, make the disabled all get full time jobs and give pensioners back the WFA and the country and economy will be booming.

I don't believe this is the case at all. I understand Farage takes influence from the far right in Europe and the USA but I'm not sure that reform voters are equating 'mass deportation' with the fact that if that really does mean all non-British born people, they'll be a lot worse off.

Perhaps. But that's all a bit pie in the sky isn't it? Reform aren't currently proposing that (or are they?), nor did they at the last election.

I have no hesitation in voting Reform. Absolutely sick to death of the constant lying from the other two main parties.

But the constant lying from Farage and co doesn’t bother you?

You might think it's patronising and personally I do vote for policy but

1. lots of people vote differently - the three main things are policy, personality and party - and often they don't vote based on more than one of these.
2. it was literally the campaign strategy for Vote Leave to appeal to the disaffected and this idea of voting AGAINST rather than for. It's on record. Cummings said this numerous times.

So if you think it's patronising take it up with Cummings who ran the SUCCESSFUL Brexit campaign not me!!!

Farage is the tip of the iceberg. He comes across as affable but he's the gateway to the far right.

If you look at social media at the moment, much of it is far right propaganda and people are coming out with far right theories.

Muslims are being used as the acceptable face of racism. It's not racist to dislike a religion and they're part of an invasion, a left wing conspiracy to replace white Christians with brown Muslims. This is a far right conspiracy theory called the Great Replacement.

Care to elaborate on these “reasons” and the specific cultural differences you think need to be neutrally addressed?

Because as far as I can see, “cultural difference” only ever seems to be a concern when it involves Muslims or ethnic minorities. I’ve never heard anyone on the right express alarm about welcoming religious, Republican Americans with their love of guns and deeply rooted misogyny, into the country.

I’m also unclear why this supposed reckoning is always the responsibility of “the left”. We had 14 years of a right-wing Tory government, and for nearly a decade they had a majority. At any point during that time, they could have implemented policies to address the concerns of the right, without needing to consult the left at all. And yet they didn’t. Why?

I didn’t vote for them and didn’t look up their policies so can’t say re last time.

I think the local elections will swing their way and all parties will look at why - immigration included. They’ll all realise it’s an issue and start to formulate policy for now and next GE.

Without breaking internatiional law and restricting human rights?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-64898507