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17 Year Old Daughter- Is my mom abusive? Should I keep in touch with her after I move out?

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ThatDandyReader · 25/04/2025 15:49

Hi all,

I am a frequent lurker on mn because all throughout my teens I was never sure whether the way my mom treated me was normal/justified, or if 'normal' moms don't treat their daughters this way. I will warn that this post will have a good dollop of melodrama but try and bear with me.

Essentially, I am to move out in September for uni and I finally have control over my relationship with my mom. I am asking everyone here: a) whether her behaviour is justified at all, like would you treat a daughter this way? and b) for anyone who had similar circumstances and is now an adult how they managed it?

Right, so I will start from the start of my secondary school days, as I would say this was when her behaviour verged on abuse. She would always be angry at me for not being a happy child, and tbh I found secondary school hard because I was quite introverted. Anyways, that coupled with frequent screaming matches at home where my mom and siblings would go at each other over small things really took a toll on me. My mental health was so awful, I was constantly getting scolded at school for not having equipment, uniform, etc, (felt scared to ask my mum for this stuff, too busy), and at home it was constant anger and hatred. This culminated in an attempt to take my life when I was 12 (sorry, tw, but this is relevant). Did not work essentially, mom called me a 'miserable bitch' and when I tried to talk to her about how I was feeling she says 'Do you think I don't feel the same way?' Anyways complete hell I felt there. Another incident at that same time was when my mom saw a notification on ,my phone and thought it was a boy. It was not- embarrassingly it was my fan page for a male YouTuber. Anyways, she smashes my phone and screams at me. I genuinely felt so traumatised. That was a year when I couldn't talk to my friends except at school and so very lonely.

What gets me is that there is never any apologies, in fact she would always say, 'Have you stopped putting your face up?' or 'Silly bitch deserved it.' And it's not as if she was always cruel, in fact with other daughters of family friends it was constant praise to them- 'Wow, isn't she gorgeous,' etc, etc. But my mom has never really asked me if I was okay, how I'm finding things, never got any positive validation even though I am a decent person school wise and I think I am quite nice.

I will say, things have gotten better over the years as I have completely knuckled down with my schoolwork. I know her pressure points so I never ask for money, or do anything rebellious, and I managed to perform well in school. What makes me think my mom has some good in her is how she has been in the uni application process. She really came through in terms of coming to open days, and (I really don't mean this as a brag), when I applied to Cambridge she got me practice interviews and paid for train tickets to visit. I did end up getting my place there and I feel like if I cut her off it's a massive betrayal for how hard she worked to get me there. And I am definitely not a perfect daughter- I would say my main faults are using her makeup when I was younger, cleaning up after myself, and when my mom shouts at me I just completely keep to myself and don't really speak to her. She has called me abusive for that before.

But again, I am torn because there was a recent event where I went to see Bristol on an open day and asked her to come with me. She really didn't want to and I did have to beg. It got to the day, I was so tired and I looked at her without smiling. She starts screaming at me for 'having my afce up' and banging the iron on the ironing board. I felt the exact same horrible feeling as when I was 11 again and I just get the sense that I am going to be subject to this anger all throughout my adult life if I do something that displeases her.

Sorry for how long this is, I am going a bit crazy when I reflect on all of it. Any thoughts would be appreciated, thank you for reading

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lnks · 25/04/2025 15:56

There is nothing that could ever justify the way she treated you. What you are describing is child abuse.

I think reducing your level of contact with her will drastically improve your mental health. Don’t ever think that you owe her some kind of relationship just because she is your mother.

Just as a side, you have done amazing to get yourself to the point where you are going to university in spite of the abuse you have experienced. You should be really proud of yourself.

BlackStrayCat · 25/04/2025 16:03

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lnks · 25/04/2025 16:07

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You think calling your child a miserable bitch and a silly bitch is normal parenting? How about treating your child so badly she attempts to take her own life?

BlackStrayCat · 25/04/2025 16:09

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You are avoiding my question.

finallydecorating · 25/04/2025 16:10

No, the way your mother has treated you isn't right, far from it in fact.

Congratulations on getting into Cambridge! I wouldn't make any decisions now, wait and see how you feel when you get there. You might find you can tolerate her in small doses once you're not living with her. Or you may feel you never want to see her again, which would be justified tbh.

When you feel ready, you might like to consider counselling to help make sense of your childhood. This may be something you can get for free through university, try asking the Student Services department when you get there.

ThatDandyReader · 25/04/2025 16:10

I am sorry my story is not believable enough for you. Please stop commenting as I don't think it does much good.

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lnks · 25/04/2025 16:11

ThatDandyReader · 25/04/2025 16:10

I am sorry my story is not believable enough for you. Please stop commenting as I don't think it does much good.

It is believable, my mother was very similar.

finallydecorating · 25/04/2025 16:12

ThatDandyReader · 25/04/2025 16:10

I am sorry my story is not believable enough for you. Please stop commenting as I don't think it does much good.

There are some arseholes on this site, but some posters with great advice too.

Try not to let the arses get to you if possible.

lnks · 25/04/2025 16:13

And just to add @BlackStrayCat laughing at a child who is asking for support is appalling.

Dramatic · 25/04/2025 16:13

I think it will be much easier for you to keep your distance and not put up with the screaming from her when you move to uni, you sound as though you need a bit of a confidence boot because she's worn you down so much. The fact you've got in to Cambridge is absolutely amazing and means you have the world at your feet.

Whether you completely cut her off or not is not something anyone else can decide for you, maybe see how you feel after a while of being away.

I'm sorry you've had to go through all of this. I'm a mother of 5 girls and I can categorically say I have never (and will never) call any of them a bitch or make them feel the way she has done to you.

butterdish93 · 25/04/2025 16:14

I only have small children but I can’t imagine calling my kids the names your mam has called you. I spend 90 percent of my time worrying about them and hoping they’re happy and feel safe and loved. Your mam sounds ill and like she finds life and parenting extremely overwhelming. But how she has been with you is not normal.
you deserve to be peaceful and happy.
I have found as I’ve grown up, I’ve developed grace and empathy for my parents flaws. Maybe that will happen to you. But for now I would protect yourself and let yourself acknowledge and accept that you were an abused child. I hope you can access some therapy. And get a good support system whilst you’re at uni.

Iwilladmit · 25/04/2025 16:15

It is believable. I believe you.
The way your mother has treated you is awful and you wouldn’t be wrong to minimise contact. Her making an effort for Cambridge is what most parents do for all unis and in all areas of life. It’s not over and above a “normal” level of parenting.

please do seek some counselling when you are ready. Best of luck OP.

Hankunamatata · 25/04/2025 16:18

I think you need to seek counselling or therapist.

It sounds like you have a complicated relationship with your mother that you need to unpick.

Becoming an adult makes us realise our parents are just people. Some are utterly crap and we feel let down during our teen years and perhaps their behaviour is classified as abusive at points in our lives.

RedSkyDelights · 25/04/2025 16:18

lnks · 25/04/2025 16:11

It is believable, my mother was very similar.

Mine too - down to the point that I also got into a good university (Oxford in my case) and that was one of the things that my mother was also (uncharacteristically) very helpful about. She now takes full credit for my degree and it's clear that she was only helpful because it reflected well on her.

I'd say well done for recognising that this behaviour is not normal and not ok. In my case I believed the rhetoric that it was all my fault and if I could only better she would treat me better. I spent years trying. I don't see her any more.

I'd suggest staying at university as much as you can, minimising contact and setting very strict boundaries. Therapy would also help.

thepariscrimefiles · 25/04/2025 16:19

Honestly, your mum has been horribly abusive to you throughout your childhood. She did provide some support that helped you to get an offer from Cambridge, but that was mostly down to your hard work.

If you would prefer to go low or no contact with her, that is your decision and no-one should blame you for it. I would also recommend trying to access some therapy to discuss your abusive childhood.

Congratulations on getting into Cambridge! I hope you do really well in your life away from your mother.

Hankunamatata · 25/04/2025 16:22

Why the extreme cutting her off? Tbh you can't blame her for everything. Your going to uni. Your not going to see her much. Minimise contact and get counselling

Goldusty · 25/04/2025 16:22

Well, first of all a massive hug from me. I have a daughter your age and also going through some academic stress in the run up to A'levels. Congratulations on getting this far despite what appears to have been a somewhat difficult journey for you since starting secondary school.
I wonder if your mum has always been like this or whether something has triggered her to behave like this? Either way, there is no excuse for the way she has behaved towards you over this time. I have had my moments as a mum, sometimes saying things I shouldn't, but a loving mum never wants her children to feel hurt and unloved. A loving mum needs to to hold themselves accountable for saying or doing something unacceptable, this should always end with an apology.
No one can tell you whether you'd happier without your mum in your life. I think leaving home to go to Uni will be a very positive move for you to at least grow as your own person and, maybe at some point, reflect on these last few years gone by.
It might be a good opportunity at some point to let your mum know how her behaviour has made you feel at those difficult times. Her reaction to that will tell you how much she really cares about your feelings. It may be a weight lifted for you and give you some clarity ahead with regards your future relationship with her.
I hope you move forward with this positively and do wish you every bit of luck in your upcoming exams x

ThatDandyReader · 25/04/2025 16:23

lnks · 25/04/2025 15:56

There is nothing that could ever justify the way she treated you. What you are describing is child abuse.

I think reducing your level of contact with her will drastically improve your mental health. Don’t ever think that you owe her some kind of relationship just because she is your mother.

Just as a side, you have done amazing to get yourself to the point where you are going to university in spite of the abuse you have experienced. You should be really proud of yourself.

Thank you for being kind about that. I do think that some people who've never seen a parent act in that way just don't believe it. Tbh after reading what everyone says I don't think it is normal

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ThatDandyReader · 25/04/2025 16:29

To the people who ask me to give my mom grace, I see where you're coming from. I do think of my mom a lot. She works really hard at work and I can see that the stress of her work (she sells fabric) absolutely kills her. We are lower class by most peoples standards and money stress is probably a big thing. And she was really badly physically abused as a child. So I can understand the behaviour but I still dont think I deserve it. The things that happened when I was 11, 12 have just dawned on me as really cruel, because what was I doing then to deserve it? I was the biggest nerd and all I did was essentially study and read. I don't think it was right for her to take it out on me. So, yes maybe I wait a couple years until I am properly healed and then start again with her. I will also say that I bury a lot of these feelings. If she asks me to cuddle her I will, I always get her a card on Mother's Day and I do apologise if I do something wrong. But yes I am a flawed daughter I will admit that. Pls are right haha I should seek some counselling

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WaterInMajorca · 25/04/2025 16:32

Hi OP

Your mum has not treated you well. Yes, she has been abusive.

My mother was similar in many ways to yours, but some differences too.

I did love my mum despite all the abuse. When I went to uni (many many miles away from home!!) I didn't cut her off completely but I took complete control of when I phoned her and how often I visited or invited her to visit. I phoned her once a week and visited maybe 2 or 3 times a year.

Uni was my safe space and a place where I was able to finally process everything. But I will warn you now, it was hard! When you live with an abuser, you develop some kind of adrenaline and defence that keeps you going through it all. But when you leave, and can let that guard down, everything hits you and I did feel very wobbly during those first couple of years of 'freedom'. It was wonderful being away from home, but also hard making sense of everything. Everything for nally caught up with me.

I think I took longer to become an adult than other people. It really took me from about 18 to 27 before I was able to truly feel settled as my own person and process everything id been through. Those years were amazing! Full of craziness and friends, and travel and study and (weed and alcohol and all sorts!!) but I needed it. And I got by! And now I have a family of my own and a professional job and a PhD etc... so I did come through it!

In my case I always maintained a relationship with my mum, but I learnt a few lessons along the way. I regretted inviting her to my uni town. We had a horrible row there and I felt like she'd somehow invaded my safe space. I also went home a few times for longer than I should have. I sometimes let her get under my skin and would get distressed. But in time I leant how to have a relationship with her on my terms.

When you live in trauma you cope, but when you return to the scene of the trauma having been away it's bloody hard! Those first few trips home after I'd left were much much harder then I'd ever have imagined. I even had a v severe panic attack on one trip back. So be prepared for how much harder it is to return home that it was to have never left, and don't plan on staying too long! Christmas may b especially difficult.

In my 30s and early 40s I was able to see my mum without feeling re-traumatised each time. And there were moments we were v close. I always understood that her own trauma had caused her to be the person she was and I did love her.

I stayed close to my mum until she died a few years ago. I'm glad I never cut her off. I did love her. One of my siblings did cut her off and I totally understand that decision. Ultimately it's a decision noone can make for you and whatever you decide is up to you.

You have a long journey of growing up and processing stuff ahead! I hope it all goes ok, and when it doesn't, that you ride it out and learn from your mistakes and never regret anything.

Enjoy uni OP! You deserve it! And remember, there's a mumsnetter out there who really cares about you, even though I've never met you! And I'm rooting for you to enjoy your studies and go on to have a happy life :) I did! You can too

MoreChocPls · 25/04/2025 16:35

Go to Cambridge and ignore your mother. If you cut her off completely, I wouldn’t blame you. Your ‘faults’ like using her make up are what kids do. Normal stuff. Go to Cambridge!!

eqpi4t2hbsnktd · 25/04/2025 16:36

Are you American?

lnks · 25/04/2025 16:39

eqpi4t2hbsnktd · 25/04/2025 16:36

Are you American?

‘Mom’ is used in parts of the U.K., so not necessarily

ThatDandyReader · 25/04/2025 16:39

Haha am not. Just a Brummie!

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